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Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by mnsc »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #749
mnsc wrote: post #738

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Another stereotype that exists is that all balkans are raging racists and will start war with anyone close by because they deem them subhuman. This is just a stereotype, so "so what?" right? And when you are waving off "laughing at stupid bosnians" as "so what?" this doesn't contradict that stereotype but rather reinforces it. So do you think it's fair that I assume you are indeed racist and treat you as such? You wo…

If you do it in a comedy way, sure, why not? If we can joke about cops (reno 911), bar owners (it's always sunny in philadelphia), rural americans (king of the hill and many, many other), canadians (south park), italians (euro trip), gingers (south park), nerds (pretty much every college movie), french girls (malcolm in the middle), middle managers (basically, every office-based movie), bodybuilders (brooklyn 99), "a…

The thing about stereotypes is that they are not just harmless props only to be used in comedy. They are common simplifications that we all use to some extent whether we like it or not. But some stereotypes are more harmful than others because they are used in very non-funny contexts to justify violence and oppression. And when you use those stereotypes in a funny-ha-ha way, you get some cheap laughs but at the same time you reproduce the stereotype and make it stronger. So a harmless "all jews are greedy and therefore it's funny that the jewish main character loses track of a conversation and starts to chase a dollar bill blowing down the street" gag [canned laughter] is the fertile ground where you plant plain antisemitic "jews are to greedy we need them out of our society" seeds.

But what do I know I'm just a PC SJW you know how we are, constantly bitching about "no more violence", incredibly naive because of course there will always be pogroms, "it's just human nature". [canned laughter]

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by trasz »

astrange wrote: post #737
trasz wrote: post #707

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Obviously false, see Assange.

Assange hasn't been convicted of anything yet. Seeing as he was part of a conspiracy to steal the classified information, probably will be though. The bit of the Espionage Act that conflicts with my previous post is unconstitutional.

It doesn’t matter if he hasn’t been formally convicted; he spent last decade de facto imprisoned, proving that US does in fact punish journalists that are a bit too nosy about US military.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by wizofaus »

tjs8rj wrote: post #575
wizofaus wrote: post #344

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Chimps, as far as I'm aware, don't talk about sex. I suppose my naive view is that the more society is prepared to talk about their behaviours, the less likely it is we'll indulge in the worse aspects of such behaviour. Hence taboos over discussing particular subjects have become ingrained despite being most likely counterproductive, at least for society at large, even if they serve the interests of some.

I was primarily responding to your suggestion that strict social rules around sex were an intrinsically Christian take (or religious in nature). Beyond that though, Chimps have social hierarchies around sex. It’s hard to imagine why something you believe to be so counterproductive would exist so persistently across cultures and times unless it had serious value.

I don't even necessarily believe it's counterproductive, it just seems intuitively expected that closing off a topic for broader discussion is a way to breed unhealthy attitudes and abusive behaviours involving sex. But doing so seems to have benefited some people I suppose. Or maybe it really is due to an innate desire to maintain an aura of mystery around it. I don't think anyone really knows.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by cdelsolar »

cercatrova wrote: post #453

The solution to this is, of course, piracy. I'm glad people like those on /r/DataHoarder preserve media in their complete forms so I don't have to watch them censored. A recent example is Community which has an episode of a character dressing as a dark elf, and the joke is that another character assumes it's blackface, even though it's not. Well, networks and streaming services now removed it and unless you have the…

That episode is one of the very best of the show too. I had to pirate it.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

mnsc wrote: post #761
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do it in a comedy way, sure, why not? If we can joke about cops (reno 911), bar owners (it's always sunny in philadelphia), rural americans (king of the hill and many, many other), canadians (south park), italians (euro trip), gingers (south park), nerds (pretty much every college movie), french girls (malcolm in the middle), middle managers (basically, every office-based movie), bodybuilders (brooklyn 99), "a…

The thing about stereotypes is that they are not just harmless props only to be used in comedy. They are common simplifications that we all use to some extent whether we like it or not. But some stereotypes are more harmful than others because they are used in very non-funny contexts to justify violence and oppression. And when you use those stereotypes in a funny-ha-ha way, you get some cheap laughs but at the same…

So, are we not allowed to joke anymore?

Or if you're going the SJW way, are we only alowed to joke about american white men?

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by mbg721 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #766
mnsc wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing about stereotypes is that they are not just harmless props only to be used in comedy. They are common simplifications that we all use to some extent whether we like it or not. But some stereotypes are more harmful than others because they are used in very non-funny contexts to justify violence and oppression. And when you use those stereotypes in a funny-ha-ha way, you get some cheap laughs but at the same…

So, are we not allowed to joke anymore? Or if you're going the SJW way, are we only alowed to joke about american white men?

There are jokes that aren't at anyone's expense, but they're mostly puns, and not every pun is safe.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

mbg721 wrote: post #767
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #766

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So, are we not allowed to joke anymore? Or if you're going the SJW way, are we only alowed to joke about american white men?

There are jokes that aren't at anyone's expense, but they're mostly puns, and not every pun is safe.

So, you wan't to 'cancel' 80% of the comedy, because you're afraid other people will get offended? ...possibly those, who paid a ticket to laugh at the "offensive" stuff?

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by ur-whale »

Bakary wrote: post #286
ur-whale wrote: post #240

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> What sort of TV shows are censored in the West? When was the last time you saw a pair of boobs on an US sitcom?

Game of Thrones? I'm not really a TV guy. I was specifically intrigued by what the GP saw as political censorship, but I see what you mean.

> Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones is a sitcom in your world?

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Post by rpigab »

krmboya wrote: post #753

While I'm generally anti-censorship, I also believe cultural insensitivity should not go unchecked. What may be acceptable in one culture may not be acceptable in other cultures. Diversity in the global sense is cultural diversity, a step up from what is usually assumed to be diversity in American discource.

Yes, like Winnie the Pooh, he's cute to us, but extremely offensive to Xi Jinping, just a cultural thing.

(It's Hubris and need for absolute control over a big population, mostly)

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