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Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by selimthegrim »

api wrote: post #187
hedora wrote: post #179

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See also: California’s plan to eliminate algebra 2 and calculus from the highschool curriculum. It is being spearheaded by someone without a math degree, in the name of improving marketability of the kids for data science positions, or something. See also (2): Monty Python’s bicycle repairman sketch.

Yeah that proposal is insane. For a while now it feels like the left and the right are attempting to one-down each other on how stupid they can get. That proposal seems like an example of the left trying to out-stupid Trump and the alt-right. Don't worry I'm sure the right is working on things even dumber than this, and then those will have to be topped, and so on. In 2024 we will have Dr. Oz and Marjorie Taylor Gree…

Oprah would actually not be the worst candidate - certainly better than Michelle Obama.

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Post by nradov »

mgr86 wrote: post #562
cogman10 wrote: post #416

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The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

My Daughter was born on the winter solstice this year. We had a broken sink in our hospital room and someone came by to fix it. He had a trainee with him. Who was mentioning that he was scheduled to work New Years Eve and then again the next day on New years day. A 3rd shift followed by an immediate 1st shift. He was casually talking to the guy training him and mentioned that had to be a mistake. The guy in charge sa…

Hospitals operate 24×7. Someone has to work those shifts. Usually it ends up being the employee with the least seniority. What's the alternative?

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Post by springsprint »

My wife works as a floater pharmacist in retail, can confirm, the situation is quite similar and very dire. She cannot even get a couple of days of UNPAID time-off when needed. The scheduler and the management are quite abusive with the way how they treat their staff. There is no such thing as a work-life balance.

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Post by fallingknife »

munk-a wrote: post #742
WalterBright wrote: post #651

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And yet the government budgets rise dramatically year after year.

The government is one of the few places where you can get a job in your twenties and retire comfortably in your 60s having made a decent, but certainly not outstanding, amount of money with consistent raises and cost of living adjustments. What some people will call government waste - other people will call ethical employee treatment... sure there are a lot of other sources of inefficiency outside of your comment - b…

It's not that they're paid too much. It's that they do too little useful work.

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Post by HWR_14 »

tom-thistime wrote: post #507
cogman10 wrote: post #416

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The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

Yeah, anecdotally, experienced nurses were fed up in the mid-1980s.

Do you have anything I can see about that, or did you just know people who were fed up and retired then.

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Post by nradov »

munk-a wrote: post #750
runnerup wrote: post #632

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You can pay people fixed monthly salary + overtime hours. You don’t need to cut their hours and their pay, though that’s often the choice that employers make.

Exactly, choosing to cut hours or pay due to a lull in business is a choice made by the employer. It's not like these hospitals are sputtering along right at the fringe of solvency and one bad choice will bankrupt them - private health providers tend to make pretty comfortable profit margins and the fact that they can pay such outrageous surge prices for travel nurses is a pretty clear proof of how much they have to…

Many hospitals literally are sputtering along right at the fringe of solvency. This is particularly a problem with non-profit hospitals in poor and rural areas. Summer have shut down in recent years, and the pandemic is accelerating that trend.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/12-latest-hosp...

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Post by manmal »

cogman10 wrote: post #433
hedora wrote: post #235

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We’re facing some massive generational crises at this point, and it feels like the only solution is to wait for the current leadership to die off, and hope the gen x’ers fix it. The WWII generation fixed the ozone hole, but their kids didn’t lift a finger for global warming. Subsequent generations are scrambling to pick up the pieces for our kids, while crap like this, and our rapidly collapsing democracy keep sabota…

While I think SOME longevity in congress/the senate is a good thing (You get more done). I really wish we had something like an age cap. It's really crazy that the only way it seems like we can get these senators/congresspeople out of office is death from old age. The fact is, your mind DOES deteriorate when you get older. That's why so many phone scams are special built to target older people. A change I'd make to t…

Please, don’t spread ageism. Yes, brains perform worse in many kinds of ways when they age. But that’s highly variable. And there are narcissists and sociopaths in every age group.

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Post by luckydata »

mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

about #3 that ain't a design issue, it's a policy issue. Until healthcare in the US is about maximizing profit extraction by every party involved things will not change.

For profit healthcare is an abomination and a blight on the very soul of this country. If I believed in religion I would say God will judge us very harshly for allowing this system to stay in place for so long.

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