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Post by hotpotamus »

greyhair wrote: post #755
mark_l_watson wrote: post #730

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It absolutely blows my mind how many of my friends support soft censorship that supports their points of view. I try to listen to podcasts, occasionally, that are contrary to my own beliefs, not because of free speech but rather to make sure that I don’t end up in a “bubble.” Coincidentally, I listed to something by The Hill on YouTube last week and it was reasonably good because they had three people speculating on…

I tell this to my liberal friends all the time. You don't have to listen to the swill on Fox News, but you should at least listen to valid conservative viewpoints to understand why the disagreements exist in the first place, to understand why there is a range of views on any topic to begin with. Living inside a singular viewpoint bubble doesn't help anyone. The same people that insist that human sexuality is non-bina…

Who would you consider a valid conservative if not the most mainstream conservative news organization? I have the utmost respect for David Frum and a lot of the "Never Trump" type conservatives who clearly actually believed in their principled ideas, but even they would tell you that they're a minority of a minority. It's often hard to tell if Fox News is leading or following mainstream conservative opinion (and of course it's never that simple), but clearly they track the majority opinions of people who consider themselves conservative.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by greyhair »

mohanmcgeek wrote: post #659
px43 wrote: post #646

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This isn't about you, it's about the 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction. YouTube isn't a news network. It's a video platform catering to a global audience, many of whom are really really bad critical thinking. Same with Facebook. We all know what happens when content isn't curated, and it's really, really bad. I'…

> the 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, Who are you or YouTube to make this judgement? More often than not, the "I'm smarter than the average person" types are the ones making the worst decisions.

Always keep in mind that 50% of all people are dumber than average.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by lenkite »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #741
lenkite wrote: post #727

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The transcript was released by the White House and there are no threats made to withdraw Ukrainian aid - quite unlike the explicit and damning public statement made by Biden to withdraw aid, which is also captured on Video - but fails to get any publicity whatsoever as its deeply embarrassing for the favoured media darling. You can continue to speculate further but evidence doesn't fit your claim. https://www.usatoda…

> Although the United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor,[5] this was the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States, which, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective, and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Buris…

I want this to be front-page news because Biden explicitly threatened the withdrawal of aid unless a prosecutor of a sovereign nation investigating his son's company was fired. This was the same threat that you accused Trump of and everyone castigated Trump for - which was proven false. But Biden gets a complete media-free pass for the same bald faced threat.

Biden's own words below:

In December 2015 -- he told Ukrainian officials: "We're leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money."

"Well, son of a bitch," Biden continued. "He got fired."

A classified US State Department email from 2016 shows a leading diplomat warning that Hunter Biden’s lucrative job with a Ukrainian energy company “undercut” American efforts to fight corruption in the Eastern European country.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/us-diplomat-warned-about-hunte...

I don't care what Trump agrees/disagrees with or who he is a fan of. Irrelevant to this discussion which started with a verifiably false accusation. The media has noticeably different amplification standards depending on who they do or do not favour.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by hatware »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #147
hatware wrote: post #74

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Are we to believe that you don't understand object permanence? Your argument amounts to "certain images of this event appear peaceful".

It was a "mostly peaceful protest."

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Post by hatware »

pfisch wrote: post #243
hatware wrote: post #74

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Is this the event that you are referring to? https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1489691175883882496

Cherry pick all you want, your thoughts are more propaganda than original.

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Post by pfisch »

downandout wrote: post #740
pfisch wrote: post #635

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Jan 6th didn't "cause" catastrophic risk. Events like jan 6th present huge potential risks. If the insurrection had been successful the best case scenario would be economic collapse and possibly civil war in the country where these platforms are based out of. It is likely that many states would reject the sovereignty of the federal government if it didn't honor the outcome of the election, and from there things would…

War being threatened by a nuclear power like Russia carries with it the “catastrophic risk” of the end of the world, with billions of people dead. Even if one were to wholeheartedly believe that the hyperbole in your comment was an entirely plausible outcome of January 6, the Russian tweet is far more dangerous than anything related to the Capital riot. It’s outrageously hypocritical that the Russian official’s accou…

Except social media can't control if Russia will fire nukes. The Russians don't need to rally a russian mob on social media to goto war at all.

Twitter can't prevent this from happening by censoring a russian official.

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Post by pfisch »

headsoup wrote: post #691
sacrosancty wrote: post #632

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Isn't that the opposite of catastrophic risk, and instead an opportunity for more active users?

And is it those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention anyway? It's easy after the fact to lay blame, but interfering in discussion, even heated and wild, is an easy slope into censorship and tyranny.

Either all of social media should be white supremacist, holocaust denying 4 Chan, or it is those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention.

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Post by moltke »

pfisch wrote: post #767
headsoup wrote: post #691

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And is it those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention anyway? It's easy after the fact to lay blame, but interfering in discussion, even heated and wild, is an easy slope into censorship and tyranny.

Either all of social media should be white supremacist, holocaust denying 4 Chan, or it is those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention.

This attitude will push normal people to 4chan. We shouldn't be surprised when Racism and Nationalism make a comeback.

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Post by leereeves »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #636
ok123456 wrote: post #564

After the mid-terms, any Section 230 protection these companies have is going bye-bye. Any kind of active moderation of perfectly legal speech through 'terms of service'/'community standards' will remove any common-carrier liability shield. Actions like this have turned this into political red meat for some. These companies really need to learn how to read the room. Ratcheting downward the ability of people to freely…

That is the wrong solution. The problem isn't people making content decisions, it's market concentration. They have too much market power and it lets them get away with too much hamfisted behavior without losing users. They've already gone far enough for the market to start to solve this. Rumble and Gettr and whatever else are gaining users. But it's producing an ideological split which is pretty dangerous. The other…

> They have too much market power and it lets them get away with too much hamfisted behavior without losing users.

I agree, but Section 230 also contributes to this. It eliminates the legal consequences for that hamfisted behavior and enables these sites to grow far beyond their ability to properly manage the site.

It's often been said that clumsy AI moderation is necessary because there's no other way to moderate sites with so many users. If true, I see that as an argument against enabling sites to grow "too big to moderate" rather than an argument for excusing hamfisted behavior.

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Post by [deleted] »

pfisch wrote: post #766
downandout wrote: post #740

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War being threatened by a nuclear power like Russia carries with it the “catastrophic risk” of the end of the world, with billions of people dead. Even if one were to wholeheartedly believe that the hyperbole in your comment was an entirely plausible outcome of January 6, the Russian tweet is far more dangerous than anything related to the Capital riot. It’s outrageously hypocritical that the Russian official’s accou…

Except social media can't control if Russia will fire nukes. The Russians don't need to rally a russian mob on social media to goto war at all. Twitter can't prevent this from happening by censoring a russian official.

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