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abledon wrote: post #474
tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

was it only the 10% fringe farmers protesting? or the 90% majority of farmers?

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Post by csense »

_skel wrote: post #749
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

It seems like these protests ought to be solvable by the police, using normal police powers, without resorting to emergency measures or doing things like freezing accounts and suspending truckers' licenses. Why not do the obvious thing: send the police in to arrest people who won't leave. Tow their trucks. That worked at the border the other day -- why wouldn't it work in Ottawa too? It's not like the Canadian police…

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Post by inter_netuser »

swader999 wrote: post #695
listless wrote: post #675

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I agree with this and I generally support their cause. But you don’t have the right to shut down commerce and affect citizens ability to move across a border. IMO they have let this go on far too long.

Yet this is exactly what was being done to these truckers prior to their actions.

Govt literally banned 1) commerce 2) restricted citizens access through borders

Europe is opening up. I guess Science different in Canada.

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Post by JamisonM »

dotnet00 wrote: post #740
JamisonM wrote: post #553

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The current government of Canada was very recently elected in an election that was mostly about the pandemic response and mandates in particular, the notion that this represents some undermining of the democratic process is a bit of a stretch.

We're literally in a post about Trudeau invoking powers that allow him to suspend even civil rights (EDIT: I misread, that was the previous version of the act, he cannot suspend civil rights) (even if he probably won't do that) over a protest that has gone on for a month without any attempts made at reconciliation, it's hard to argue that this isn't an undermining of democracy in Canada. The protests in India lasted…

The Act does not in fact allow him to suspend civil rights, that is not what this law does, its predecessor did but it is no longer law. You can read about it in many places, its invokation has inspired a lot of explainers!

I am familiar with the protests in India but I did not see any that occupied the downtown of a major city for weeks on end or choked off the most important transport link in the country for over a week. I welcome more information on that front. My view is that if the parade on 26 January 2021 had remained in the city for weeks then it might be somewhat similar, but as it stands that is not my impression.

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vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

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Post by nprz »

MattGaiser wrote: post #36
vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

70 million Germans can't be wrong.

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Post by klyrs »

thesz wrote: post #745
klyrs wrote: post #658

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BLM protests happened in a completely different legal jurisdiction. Trump couldn't invoke the Emergencies Act, because that's a Canadian law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Canad... There were BLM protests in Canada.

Trump wasn't the president of Canada, was he?

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Post by lariati »

fishidns wrote: post #268
colechristensen wrote: post #101

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Put the measures being protested directly up for a vote by the Canadian legislature (so they're not just executive actions), if they're not struck down the government should resign / do a no confidence vote, let people elect a new government. Let the people have their voice. If protests continue take actions that let them protest but reduce their ability to be disruptive. With the current dynamics of the disease thou…

You can't do that because 5000 people have blocked essential roads with big trucks. That's tyranny man. Just because you support the end of restrictions doesn't mean you should support people getting what they want through illegal methods. This is supposed to be a democracy. Canada just had an election, and the people pro-vaccine and pro-mandates were elected. Yes, durect democracy and being allowed to all vote on al…

The irony is this is exactly why the US is a republic and not a democracy.

Direct democracy is 100% mob rule but no one really cares to read the Federalist Papers or the mountain of thought that was put into this at the start of the US.

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Post by SECProto »

kerneloftruth wrote: post #679
SECProto wrote: post #505

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> Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. The whole protest has been illegal from the start (violating the highway traffic act) > Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. Source? Either way, yes, there was an injunction granted specifically against honking horns. > So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. No, anyon…

The only thing sadder than the authoritarian measures adopted in Canada and Australia is the glee with which so many of their citizens embrace it.

Then write to your selected member of parliament and complain about it, help campaigns and candidates next election who better align with your view, or run yourself!

But you might be better served to first examine the reasons why so many Canadians are in favour of various restrictions that have been introduced (and eventually once again withdrawn), by every party and every level of government in the last two years. It's mostly because we have much more faith than our American counterparts that our institutions will do what's right for all Canadians.

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Post by Tiktaalik »

b112 wrote: post #722
Tiktaalik wrote: post #639

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Omicron may be "mild" to healthy, vaccinated people, but it's a serious, deadly health threat to the unvaccinated elderly. Accordingly places where transmission is likely (eg. a small intimate restaurant) are serious and potentially deadly health risks to the elderly, unvaccinated part of the population. So long as our hospitals are overwhelmed (as they currently are) it's a very bad idea to open up these high transm…

This is a strange comment to me. In all provinces, the elderly were the very first to get vaccinated. First. First to get second vaccinations, and for a long time, the only group allowed to even get a third shot. There are no unvaccinated elderly people running around, unless they insist on not being vaccinated. In such cases, that's their choice, and no one should take additional precautions for those opting out. Yo…

There's plenty of unvaccinated elderly getting themselves killed. This article has charts showing deaths/ICU/hospitalized over the last 120 days. The elderly and unvaccinated are particularily impacted. https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-in-alberta-788-weekend-...

> In such cases, that's their choice, and no one should take additional precautions for those opting out.

Yeah it's getting to the point where if stubborn old people want to meet their maker sooner than later, well sure that's their choice and we should let them, but at the moment the hospitals are overwhelmed and this has negative impacts on everyone, as it delays all the other surgeries and other work that the hospital needs to do.

I'm fine with lifting vaccine mandates once hospitals are unlikely to get overwhelmed, but it's not at all clear we're at this point yet.

Going to be very interesting to see what happens in Alberta and Sask over the next little while as they're lifting the vaccine passports.

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