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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

>I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast.

Not everyone who supports free markets is a market fundamentalist. It is not hard to understand that people may support free markets for most goods but oppose them for healthcare, education, senate seats and slaves. Do you really have a hard time understanding that?

>Exactly what he sold (NDA, limitations on his speech in his free time etc.) we'll probably never know, but whoever calls this "censorship" needs a reality check.

Censorship is the suppression of information. You may consider it good, you may consider it bad; it may be done by public institutions, it may be done by private institutions. NDAs are literally a form of censorship. I am not sure what you even mean by censorship if you think that isn't censorship.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Damogran6 »

Hermel wrote: post #609
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

Your subscription is churn. Every decision they make has net positive and negative effects in the numbers, but you saying ‘You promised my X but gave me Y’ is table stakes when dealing with subscription umbers as big as spotify has.

They probably did the calculus and determined they’d lose LESS people if they scrubbed the catalog than if they didn’t. It’s not a political statement to them.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kzrdude »

gmfawcett wrote: post #614
kzrdude wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the most important part here is - does the spotify deal make JR unhappy? Does it make his audience unhappy, and thus himself? For example, if too many episodes are deleted, he will maybe not at all feel the fulfillment and happiness of doing the job he previously enjoyed. That factor ultimately decides if keeping the contract or breaking it is the better solution in the long run. Fans of JR want him to be abl…

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I don't get it. Maybe you're assuming things about me that don't make sense? laissez-faire capitalist is not me, at least (but I am a fish that swims in neoliberal infused water unfortunately - i.e. the culture in the western countries).

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by hatware »

logicalmonster wrote: post #760
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't know if this is your opinion or not, but in general, this argument might hold more water if "activists" weren't gleefully trying to shut down relatively free-speech sites like Gab and Parler and others. You can't have it both…

Having it both ways is the definition of the last two years.

It's very clear where the bias lies. I am worried.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by michael_j_ward »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #692
foogazi wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. 1. The private corporation “decided” it wanted to broadcast JRE 2. X happened 3. Private corporation decided it didn’t want to broadcast some JRE episodes People are interested to in what X is

X is the private corporation forecasting that it would lose too much money if it continued broadcasting those episodes. There’s also a step 0, which is the private corporation predicting it would make a lot of money if it could exclusively broadcast Joe Rogan.

The White House explicitly called on Spotify to take further action against Rogan.

Have people not seen this? I don't understand all the meta conversation about free markets when this is cut and dry 1A violation.

https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-urges-spotify-further-202...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by FabHK »

naasking wrote: post #621
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

It is censorship by definition. Whether you think it's justified is a separate question.

That is debatable. Many would argue that censorship "by definition" involves the government (not the case here), and not merely the removal of content by someone, but prohibition for everyone to distribute it (not the case here as far as I can tell).

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by twmiller »

Strom wrote: post #565
donmcronald wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. What kind of research does he do? I've never seen more than the odd clip, but I was under the impression he's just like all other entertainers that interview guests and engage in fairly shallow conversation about various topics. A lot of people I know would tell you they didn't feel really competent in their (professional) field until…

> why do you think some people trust celebrities like Rogan over a medical expert like Fauci or, literally, the creators of vaccines? You seem to be somewhat misinformed. It's not what Joe Rogan says that is under fire, it's what his guests say. Rogan mostly says stuff like "wow" and lets his guests speak. To make things even more interesting, this latest drama is because he had Robert Malone [1] as a guest on his sh…

"I personally don't know enough about mRNA to have a say, but what I can safely assume is that Malone knows more about mRNA than most people who are saying he is wrong."

Why can you safely assume that? Further, I'm less concerned about what 'most people' are saying about Malone, but more interested in what his equally credentialled peers are saying, which is that he's full of shit.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by hatware »

voisin wrote: post #186
ahmed_ds wrote: post #131

I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…

Perhaps you do speak for the majority. I am a fairly heavy Podcast consumer (I run a lot and like to listen to them), and JRE is consistently among my top two (always a battle with the ever great Rich Roll) because of the sheer diversity of guests he has on. I don’t care for MMA or most of the comedians so I skip those but that’s fine because Rogan is so prolific that there will be something interesting in the next f…

Do you think referring to Rutger's basketball players as "nappy headed-hoes" was in line?

It sounds like you barely have any idea of what Stern's controversy was about.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by peeters »

kryogen1c wrote: post #705

this looks alarmingly like a destruction of wrongthink. comedians, musicians, joes friends. this isnt just the rambling conspiracies of alex jones or covid skepticism with non-consensus doctors. rather than debate the meaning of IP, free markets, or the first amendment, we should he focusing on us - the people. our communites. why is it that companies think its advantageous to silence people like this? it must be fol…

You're making it sound like Spotify is a neutral host of Rogan's IP. That's not the case at all. Spotify bought exclusive rights to Rogan's episodes and then gave him a massive deal to produce more under their banner. This is Spotify deciding to silence themselves.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by toyg »

Arcuru wrote: post #756
rez9x wrote: post #717

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking through the deleted episodes, most of them aren't even the scientists and pundits in opposition to globalist narratives. They're comedians, actors, and musicians. I am clearly out of the loop. Why would Spotify remove episodes with Kevin Smith and Brian Posehn? I love both of these comedians/writers, but they're largely in-line with Spotify's neoliberal viewpoints, are they not?

Just going off the list, it seems pretty likely that at least some of the guests requested Spotify to remove the episodes.

Yeah, this to me looks more like "a lot of people disavow their past association with Rogan" than Spotify censoring anything.
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