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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by krzyk »

hocuspocus wrote: post #743
krzyk wrote: post #736

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> Sure, it'd be much easier for everyone to get a $200 discount but that just hasn't happened at all after preorders. Yes it did: https://www.engadget.com/2018-11-15-google-pixel-3-black-fri... That's the reason I prefer to wait.

That's completely irrelevant to last year's models. And there were no preorders for the Pixel 3.

Irelevant for Pixel 5 (which was more of a midrange phone compared to the rest of Pixels), but relevant for Pixel 3 and 4 at least.

There were preorders for Pixel 3, I know because I preordered it.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by lrae »

MisterSandman wrote: post #729
lrae wrote: post #720

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Funny to see him in that video, with him getting begged by his viewers to cover the CSAM scanning controversy on every video for weeks - but he ignored it. Wonder why.

I don't think there's anything nefarious going on. MKBHD is a "cool tech bro", and he knows that, and that is what he excels in. He isn't particularly great at talking about more niche, meta topics, until they hit the mainstream. His recent Right to Repair video shows this, and it took him YEARS to make that video - but it's also one of the best. FWIW, he does talk about CSAM and is definitely aware of its pitfalls o…

In which episode(s) did he talk about it? I checked 2 or 3 episodes around that time and it did not come up. We are talking about the Waveform podcast, right?

Besides that, I'm sure his reach on Social Media & Youtube is quite a bit larger than on his podcast. And I guess, the reason he had those comments under his videos was, because those people don't listen to his podcast either.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by lrae »

eis wrote: post #754
lrae wrote: post #718

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Interesting. Wasn't it the same for the last pixel? And also, MKBHD still made a video about them, why? Wouldn't it hurt Google more if he would just not cover them? Also, he regularly has Apple devices that he also has similar embargoes for and is not allowed to release stuff until the products are on the street or shortly before that - as for this Pixel. Does he always call it a red flag there too?

I think there is a difference between a general embargo not to show anything and an embargo that allows to show a few very specific things. The latter being a "show it but not really" vibe. Did Apple do that in the past? Or is it rather nothing and then everything? Don't think he has an interest in hurting Google. But he has an interest to have some level of transparency.

There might be a difference, but there isn't for the consumer in this case, if that is what he really cares about.

They are allowed to publish everything on the 25th, that is still in the pre-order window, and everybody can cancel their pre-orders or wait until then to pre-order in the first place.

Also, not being mentioned here is, that another advantage of that staggered approach is that smaller reviewers get the phones right now and have a chance to publish their reviews at the same time as the big boys. And the big boys also had the option to opt-out of the early units, if they disagree with Google's way of handling it - and get it now, like the smaller guys.

I also think MKBHD did do similar stuff with Apple in the past, was it the new Mac Pro by chance, where he was one of the chosen ones who got one really early but couldn't show everything? I vaguely remember something like that.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by kevmo »

fabianhjr wrote: post #207
kevmo wrote: post #60

Miss me with a Google monitoring device.

Google Pixel devices are some of the few with a relockable bootloader and availability (though not open source) of drivers. That makes them the _only_ option for someone that focuses on privacy. (By installing calyxOS)

Nice info! Thanks!

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by n8cpdx »

pja wrote: post #668
feanaro wrote: post #618

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> Side by side, my iPhone 12 takes several seconds less to open Firefox than pixel 4. It takes seconds for your phones to open Firefox?! My Xiaomi Mi A3 opens it without a noticeable delay.

My Pixel 4a opens Firefox in ~ a second from a cold start. I’d have to film it to get an accurate figure, but it’s definitely not multiple seconds. Maybe they’re opening a very Javascript heavy homepage (and what site isn’t Javascript heavy in the modern ad-laden world?) and is including the download & render time in that measurement?

Test was closed all apps, launched Firefox, and waited for it to complete loading news.ycombinator.com. iPhone and pixel were on the same network.

Just showing the app filling the viewport isn’t fair because iOS and android handle splash screens differently. All of my side-by-side comparisons are waiting until the initial load completes.

I am running grapheneOS, so slightly different, and you might say that’s unfair. I’d expect a distro without the bloat to perform better, but it does have extra hardening to try to get closer to an iOS level of security. I do consider that a fair comparison, since that is the bare minimum you need to trust the device. Looking at the network traffic of an android device really gives one goosebumps, even in the best of circumstances.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by hocuspocus »

krzyk wrote: post #761
hocuspocus wrote: post #743

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That's completely irrelevant to last year's models. And there were no preorders for the Pixel 3.

Irelevant for Pixel 5 (which was more of a midrange phone compared to the rest of Pixels), but relevant for Pixel 3 and 4 at least. There were preorders for Pixel 3, I know because I preordered it.

You're right, I checked, there were pre-orders, which made zero sense given there was no promotional offer of any kind and very little demand then.

Anyway the Pixel 3 and 4 were pretty big flops. Pricey and uninteresting devices, with abysmal battery life for the non-XL variants. I remember third party sellers fire-selling their stock of Pixel 3s during summer 2019.

The 5 and the 6 are priced a lot more reasonably, Google probably doesn't need to do anything to sell their current stock, so if you believe you'll get better than $200 headphones, good luck with that.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by Sargos »

fulafel wrote: post #570
Sargos wrote: post #250

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I'm not sure what you mean by not worrying about iOS needing OS updates for browser upgrades as the Safari engine is the only web browser engine allowed on iOS and third party browsers like Chrome are just skins on top of Safari and not real counterparts to their desktop cousins. Upgrading the OS is the only way to get new web functionality and bug fixes.

Does the browsee limitation come from loading non reviewed code and interpreting it? Are other browsers allowed if they don't implement JavaScript?

I think that would be allowed, yes. It would be a rather useless web browser though so that's probably why nobody has tried before.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by lostmsu »

BoorishBears wrote: post #611
lostmsu wrote: post #599

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The most common scenario I have is switching from RSS reader into web browser for the full article and back. This is also about 50% of what I do on the phone that's not scrolling web pages vertically.

Isn't that just swiping left and right on the bottom of an iOS device? (Switches between your current app and last app for reference)

Swiping back to the reader won't close the browser tab.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ksml »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #679
ksml wrote: post #628

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I think you're terribly naive if you think a phone kernel has no attack surface. It is absolutely a security risk to run an outdated kernel. It has nothing to do with whether there are services running for a hacker to connect to; it's about whether it's possible for an attacker to trigger buggy behavior somehow, whether that's sending malformed packets or Bluetooth frames or invoking patterns of syscalls that cause b…

your phone is not a linux server. yes, if you install a virus or an outdated app, someone can daisychain a priv escalation using a kernel bug. no need for that though - my phone is already rooted. Your car has pieces that run linux too. Guess an attacker can make you crash. > drivers since this is about iphone and android comparison, guess what has those same driver blobs form those same exact manufacturers. apple do…

I really don't get why you're so hung up on this server thing. Yes, a phone is not a server. But it still runs a lot of complicated software. Software has bugs. We haven't found all the bugs yet. Hence, it's important to keep all of the software as up-to-date as possible for when people find some of the bugs.

> Your car has pieces that run linux too. Guess an attacker can make you crash.

Actually, yes... https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-hig... http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-usenixsec2011.pdf

> the drivers get updated just fine, since that's part of the kernel and os, which all get updated just fine.

Just because the kernel is getting updated does not mean the drivers and firmware are also getting updated. Drivers are specific to hardware, and if a vendor stops shipping updates for some chip that is no longer used in newer phones, then you aren't going to get updates for that chip.

> since this is about iphone and android comparison

This isn't about iphone and android comparison, not for me. You made naive claims about kernels not having attack surface and unimportance of staying updated, and I am responding to those claims.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by webmaven »

Sodman wrote: post #224

I hate the trend that the "pro" versions of all these flagship phones need to be an XL Phablet monstrosity. Human hands haven't gotten any bigger. I have owned most of the Nexus & Pixel phones throughout the years. After having the Nexus 6 as my daily driver for 2 years, I have always opted for the smaller option ever since. I would totally pay flagship prices for a regular ~5.5-6" phone with flagship specs, and I'm…

> I hate the trend that the "pro" versions of all these flagship phones need to be an XL Phablet monstrosity.

The difference between the Pixel 6 (6.4") and the Pixel 6 Pro (6.7") screen size doesn't seem very large to me.

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