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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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pstuart wrote: post #676
pugets wrote: post #226

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On episode #1682 he talks about both figures. He was saying he does feel a responsibility to vet his guests so that he doesn’t just have crazies using his platform to spew vile, but ultimately that neither figure harms anyone just by being a guest on a podcast. He talked about how even if you hate Alex or Milo, you can still gain something from listening to them speak. Maybe you can figure out why you hate them, or m…

> Should we only be allowed to hear things that don’t offend us? Absolutely not! That said, I also believe in intolerance of intolerance but don't have any good answers on how that is best played out.

> I also believe in intolerance of intolerance

I also like being able to justify intolerance towards anyone I want by labeling them "intolerant". Same as only caring about those I want to care about and only supporting free speech that I agree with. Makes everything much easier.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by knorker »

cpach wrote: post #735
hammyhavoc wrote: post #514

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As an artist I do not like getting $50 per 1m plays.

I can understand that! For the record I also buy music on Bandcamp. Lots of good stuff there that’s not available on Spotify.

For the record, lol.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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shkkmo wrote: post #223
knorker wrote: post #171

No wonder. Spotify is the most broken piece of shit on the app stores by far. Hey, let me download these so i can listen on the plane. Oh, the app just hangs on startup when you're in airplane mode. Well that's pointless. And on and on. It's a wonder anyone even can listen if they wanted to. Sorry, this comment is probably not HN material, but every time I use Spotify it makes me angry from how it just doesn't work.

Spotify works absolutely fine for me in Airplane mode. The reason I pay for Spotify is because it is the nest solution I have found for easily curating music for offline playback since I don't have unlimited data and I'm often outside of good coverage areas. It certainly isn't perfect and there are aspects of the UI I find frustrating, but offline access and playback are the features that seem to work the best. Edit:…

I don't doubt that there are phones out there for which airplane mode works with Spotify. It's often the case in software that the bug is just not encountered, for some.

But it was also just an example of the many ways the app is broken here and there. Freezes up, crashes, etc... And this I've gotten across phones.

But that's just the bugs. As others have said the whole thing is not even close to designed for podcasts.

Podcasts are an entirely different use case, that needs to be RSS-shaped, not like music.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by INTPenis »

sureglymop wrote: post #751
INTPenis wrote: post #339

The discussions about Rogans social responsibility are just silly. He's an entertainer. People need to understand that. But his influence dropping, I'm not at all surprised. I used to follow him until he moved to Spotify. Now I only catch the occasional clip on Youtube. And I've actually forced myself to endure the awful spotify UI for some special episodes like Dave Chappelle. But otherwise I'd rather avoid that mes…

Why are those discussions silly? He has an incredible amount of influence but he at times has for example insane conspiracy theorists on with absolutely zero considerations about how him "appearing" like a good friend to them will influence his audience. He always ponders to his guests, which makes sure that they trust him and open up. That might appear to be a good thing but it becomes a problem when you have people…

Hey if you don't agree with him, just don't listen. But don't deny him his self expression when clearly he represents a lot of people who can relate.

Enforcing some sort of social responsibility on him is indirectly denying him his self expression.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by wiether »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #514
cpach wrote: post #202

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I actually like Spotify. For music , though. Listening to podcasts in a music app – makes no sense to me. I have Overcast for that purpose and I see no reason to switch. I can understand that it was a good deal for Rogan personally if he got 100 million USD for exclusivity but for the average podcast host I believe that an open platform is much better.

As an artist I do not like getting $50 per 1m plays.

But now you know where you money went : in JR's pockets !

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ymolodtsov »

Podcasts on Spotify still aren't available in every country. What's even weirder, there are countries where Spotify is officially present but still has podcasts disable for local users in the app.

For me there's no legal way to listen to Joe Rogan. Not that I care too much. But I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who simply can't.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ymolodtsov »

jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

Podcasts were nice and free because it wasn't a big industry. It's like the Internet before ads. Nice, cozy, but hardly a place to make a living. Spotify wanted to do for podcasts what YouTube did for videos. I understand it's more complicated, since the growth of YouTube correlated with growing connection speeds that made watching videos online possible at all.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ymolodtsov »

kbenson wrote: post #121
topspin wrote: post #98

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"This seemed like the obvious trap he was going to fall into." He cashed in before his expiration date. Brilliant move.

He was given $100 million dollars up front to crash before his expiration date. Yes, that is a brilliant move.

Well, I'm sure he was making pretty good movie before and yet he was independent, people talked about him, reporters wrote stories more often – in the long-term he could have monetized that even better.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ymolodtsov »

chimen wrote: post #345

He left a void which is now being filled by Lex Friedman and others. Rogan doesn't even bother placing something about the podcast in title - he just names the guest which doesn't say anything to me so I dropped his show long time ago. Even went that far and send him an email regarding how frustrating it is to just listen to show after show until you find a subject that you like. What he lost with YouTube is their al…

I've always been wondering why niche 2-people shows put elegant titles and detailed notes with chapter markets and the largest shows ever with huge production teams don't even bother.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ymolodtsov »

knorker wrote: post #763
shkkmo wrote: post #223

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Spotify works absolutely fine for me in Airplane mode. The reason I pay for Spotify is because it is the nest solution I have found for easily curating music for offline playback since I don't have unlimited data and I'm often outside of good coverage areas. It certainly isn't perfect and there are aspects of the UI I find frustrating, but offline access and playback are the features that seem to work the best. Edit:…

I don't doubt that there are phones out there for which airplane mode works with Spotify. It's often the case in software that the bug is just not encountered, for some. But it was also just an example of the many ways the app is broken here and there. Freezes up, crashes, etc... And this I've gotten across phones. But that's just the bugs. As others have said the whole thing is not even close to designed for podcast…

But you make it sound like it's a widespread problem. For me their app is just great and much faster than Apple Music that may randomly fail at playing some track. And it works on airplanes just fine.
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