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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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I notice they make a huge deal about the towing capacity but realistically what is the range of this going to be hooked up to a 10,000lb / 5000kg trailer? Maybe if it's lucky a little over 100 miles? Maybe useful for some utility use cases but practically useless for the recreational vehicle market.

Perfect for taking the boat to the lake on the weekend.

... well, unless you actually back it into the lake on the boat ramp! Hmm..

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#762

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> burn your house down while wearing a MAGA hat or something. That's not what I saw last year and this year on news channel. I saw "mostly peaceful" protests, or so CNN/WaPo/NYT/MSNBC/ABC told me, from justice warriors. And I don't why those media were not sticking to the truth, as everything has been peaceful. Just as my trusted author of The 1619 Project said: "Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not vio…

Since when stating facts deserves downvote? Did the media not say the protests were "most peaceful"? Was it not CNN reporter who said the exact words in front of a burning building? Did Nicole Hanna-Jones not say "Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not violence"? Was it not justice warriors (I use it as a neutral word, as it does not makes sense to use left vs right) who protested last year? What did I mi…

Inconvenient facts that go against the narrative are going to get down voted, [flagged][dead]. Can't have any wrongthink now can we?

The fact that this post will be [flagged] only proves my point.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#763

It's simple: Ford will sell a shit ton of these. Killer feature: onboard power for external devices. This will be huge for the trades--and the trades are a primary target market for Ford trucks.

I don’t think not needing a portable generator on small construction sites is going to be a big driver of sales. Sales will be driven by the same factors as Tesla’s, no c02 emissions, don’t have to buy gas. Everything else is bonus

Most people buy pickups currently probably don't really think CO2 emissions are a big deal, but perhaps there's an undiscovered pickup market that Ford's going to tap into; perhaps an urbanite who normally wouldn't consider a pickup but thought the Cybertruck looked interesting.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.

Pedestrians make up only a small minority of people killed in car crashes. (Like 6k of 40k per year.) So sure, it's good to make easy adjustments if they lead to big reductions in deaths, but it's not reasonable to care a ton about seriousness restricting the form factor yet think cars are fine in general. Best would be indexing car/truck sales tax to the size of the negative safety externalities, which would be a qu…

Cars&trucks cause a large majority of the pedestrians killed in walking-around-the-city accidents, though. Lumping those deaths in with highway deaths makes the statistic meaningless.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#765

Why is snowplowing absent on all the EV trucks? Are they not capable of the heavy duty use or is the market not ready to buy them?

I don’t often see vehicles advertised with snow plows? Aren’t they all aftermarket ?

The plows are all aftermarket but the trucks are sold as plow-ready or with prep packages.

https://www.balisefordcapecod.com/Snow-Plow-Prep-Package.htm...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

> I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore You're not kidding! I was in the market for a small pickup and checked out the Tacoma and Frontier, which I previously understood to be "small" trucks. They're massive these days, just like the F-150! I guess it's perceived that there's no market for that size any more. A small ele…

You should have look at the Toyota Hilux, not Tacoma.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree- this is really going to be a big deal, especially with how large the F-150 EV battery is (150kWh). For comparison, the Chevrolet Bolt hatchback has a 66KWh battery with a similar range as the F-150, which makes sense, because the Bolt is much lighter and aerodynamic. The vast majority of public charging stations in the US ("Level 2") max…

> The vast majority of public charging stations in the US ("Level 2") max out at under 10kW; these are great for smaller cars used for commuting to-and-from the office or local shops or whatever. This isn't so bad for the Bolt, but the F-150 will recharge (from a range perspective) much more slowly.

This only matters for road trips. In general, L2 availability is the sticking point. Cars generally spend most of their time parked somewhere. All you need to do is to get back the miles you have spent getting to where you are currently charging. This is how I could survive my 25 mile commute every day with 110v power outlets. I didn't need to charge to full every time, just recover what was spent.

One thing that's impressing me is that Ford FINALLY took the "Tesla" route and made the car communicate with stations in the Electrify America network. No more fussing around with card readers that don't always work, or having to call a number with a bad cellphone connection. Just plug in, it works. That's easier than a conventional gas station.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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We owned a Ford plug-in hybrid. Amazing power, every creature comfort imaginable, great price-- what could go wrong? Sort answer: everything. It was an absolute nightmare. First and last Ford I'll ever buy.

Can you elaborate? What went wrong?

I could rant for ages, but already got downvoted so I'll keep it short. It was the only car I've ever owned to leave me stranded. It did so at least half a dozen times. The 12V battery (which we replaced) would be drained flat by the janky electronics of the car. It would be 100% fine when you park, and the dead when you're done shopping. Eventually I bought a battery charger to top it off every weekend.

We had recall after recall to deal with. I still get notices in the mail and we sold that car two years ago. None of the recalls dealt with any of our problems which were common when googling.

Selling that car for 25% of it's purchase price after 3 years was the final insult, but nobody wanted it and I can't blame them.

For anyone curious, it was a 2013 Ford C-Max Energi.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#770

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Thank you. As a cyclist and pedestrian (who does own a normally-sized car), I was getting pretty frustrated by the lack of safety discussed in the comments. https://twitter.com/lloydalter/status/1395326192908218371?s=...

Sounds like a common sense reasoning about this. Are there stats to back it up? Do trucks pose a significantly greater risk to cyclists and pedestrians? I'm actually a truck owning cyclist myself.

Yes, there are lots of studies on this. If you want info a good place to start is London's upcoming ban on large vehicles with low visibility (I would provide more info, but I'm limited on time right now).
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