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Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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It simply means something different in the US vs Europe. In the US, "left" tends to be centered around social and cultural issues, such as racism, sexism, immigrant rights, abortion rights, affirmative action, or increasingly things like white privilege - what is sometimes derisively called identity politics. In Europe, "left" tends to be centered around the economic sense of the term, that is, socialism, communism,…

It simply means something different in the US vs Europe. It means something different to you . The US is a big country, and your understanding of the left is pretty shallow and certainly doesn't speak for the whole country. That you say the left is centered on ID politics is evidence that you're out of touch with leftist politics. I would venture to say because there's not a loud leftist voice in the mainstream media…

> It means something different to you. The US is a big country, and your understanding of the left is pretty shallow and certainly doesn't speak for the whole country.

Although I am leery of placing myself on a political axis for the same reason, I think most people would consider me a leftist. Certainly they would think so based on my voting record, with a couple of exceptions.

Firstly, it may be - and I think is probably - the case that the average self-described liberal or independent in the US does not prioritize most culture war issues, or identity politics issues. They might instead be more concerned about conventionally leftist economic policies, like raising the minimum wage or improving safety nets.

But that's not, by-and-large, what political campaigns, politicians, or the news media focuses on. Cultural issues and (increasingly) identity politics surrounding specific issues take up an immense amount of bandwidth in the US to a degree they do not in Europe - or if an analogous issue does, the battle lines are drawn and the conversation is framed in a totally different way. Even issues that are the 'same' are often downstream of US politics.

I don't think this is an argument that there's no loud leftist voice in the mainstream media. That is maybe true, in the conventional sense. But it's not because the media is conservative or reactionary in some sense - there's a similar problem on the right; if anything, this was strongly illustrated by Trump's success - Trump brought to the forefront issues like immigration restriction that had wide support among the voting base but very weak to no support in the conservative political and media establishment. It's because the "leftists" who are actually in power, and control large 'leftist' institutions, care more about identity politics and culture war issues than they do about conventional leftist economic policies. US politics on both sides is charged along different lines than in other countries.

There's no doubt similar phenomena in Europe - it's not as though politics as represented by politicians and in the news accurately reflects the desires of the people there, either. Nor is Europe a unified block either, so we're being a little sloppy. But this is still a substantial difference.

At any rate, there's still other issues I mentioned like VAT - VAT would never fly in the US even if the "left" took complete power because liberals would consider it horrifically regressive!

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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BBC, NPR, /r/news, etc. There's tons of decent news sites.

Every single outlet you just listed is just as bad as the New York Times... /r/news is absolutely the worst cesspool shithole I've ever encountered on reddit, with the possible exception of /r/politics. It isn't just their rabid anti-conservative bias, which I'm more or less fine with as its pretty clear their possessed by their ideologies, but its their fascism of banning anyone who has a different opinion, while hi…

The ultimate point is not to go to ONE news site.

There is NO single site that gets it correct.

Maybe you're being too hard on the news media.

Maybe the problem is with human's inherent intellectual laziness.

Maybe instead of visiting numerous sites and forming their own opinion people wait for a single news source to spoon feed them their thoughts for the day.

You can be lazy or you can get closer to the truth.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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> it is a Service. No, it is subscription. Much like a magazine subscription, where you are purchasing the magazine each month, you are purchasing credits each month that you can use to buy audiobooks that you then own (yes yes, do you really “””own”””” things in the digital world of licenses, blah blah). So losing access to the app, and therefore the audiobooks you purchased, is not how it is supposed to work.

> is not how it is supposed to work But THIS is how it works. This reality doesn't fit your paradigm. But the reality prevails. In other words, when you stop paying them.. it stops. You can no longer consume the goods, past-present-future. You call it subscription. I call it a service. Because in my mind a subscription to a Newspaper is "News-as-a-Service. I stop paying Amazon, I lose the AWS. I stop paying the Econo…

> someone give me an example where the subscription ENDED, and they still have access to the Benefits

Literally Audible. The person that couldn't access the app is not the norm and likely had some sort of problem. You can access the app after you cancel and can continue to download and listen to books you've already bought. That is why it is a subscription, not a service.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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I had this thought the other day - what was the last big story the NYT broke that wasn't Trump related in some way? Like, actual investigative work whether in local governments or in other countries. I can't think of a single significant story that the NYT itself broke and led the charge on

If you think this, you clearly don't read the NYT regularly.

I read it regularly and work there. I should edit my comment to say "recently"

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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I don't think they're discriminating, probably just massive laws they have to deal with for every new country, and they're still pretty new so probably don't have their resources. Can you use a VPN?

I argue they are discriminating, even if it is indeed regulatory issues at play there. I'm not going to fraudulently open an account misstating my residence, that's breaking their ToS - you do promise thet you're a US resident when signing up. Of course it's their choice who they want to take on as customers. They've been providing the service for ~6 years though, which is really not that new in context.

Oh apologies good citizen for suggesting you do something against the rules!

Is my local ice cream shop DISCRIMINATING by not serving ice cream in Norway and Osaka Japan?

No, they're not discriminating. They just don't have the resources to serve those locations.

I'm enjoying the hell out of Privacy.com. I'll think of you next time I use it!

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Seriously???

Tried to expand on it but I missed the edit window. If you're a subscriber (even at a discount) you count in their circulation numbers. Those numbers affect their advertising costs, the value of the news outlet (not just the NYTimes), and probably the internal performance reviews of lots of people who really don't want to lose you. Traditionally newspapers didn't make enough money from subscription revenue to cover t…

Not sure why your comment got downvoted, really. I agree, from their perspective it makes sense to give away a half year of service if it keeps the subscriber account active. It increases the odds above zero that the customer will stay even after they have to pay again, it looks good for the advertising stats, etc.

I don't think they're really factoring in the "angry customer" aspect, however, or they'd stop. They turned me from an ambivalent customer who decided the ROI wasn't there, into an opinionated former customer who is willing to tell friends and family the horror show that will happen if they subscribe and then decide later it isn't for them. It's the opposite of good word-of-mouth advertising, and NYT is going to suffer for it. Even if they change their policy today.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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This could’ve gone smoother if you didn’t give them a reason.

When you tell them you have a problem with distraction, I can’t blame them for offering you a solution.

You rejected their solution but I don’t blame them for offering you one. It is actually a good thing.

If you are intent on canceling, just say so and skip the part where they legitimately try to fix your issue.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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post #708

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If you think this, you clearly don't read the NYT regularly.

I read it regularly and work there. I should edit my comment to say "recently"

Suggest you delete this comment to prevent your cancellation. You appear to be a rational but dirty not-good traitor after all. /s

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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post #731

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You totally missed my point. I didnt say anything about Trump being right or wrong. I just said that for NYT anything that is related to Trump is bad. And I'm pretty sure this is not the case

When you have to argue that you're "pretty sure" not everything about a person is bad then negative press coverage is not surprising. I am currently struggling to come up with something about Trump that's not mostly negative. Maybe his honesty in the Woodward calls? That's stretching it a bit, and only highlights how dishonest he's been in public. His response to Covid and natural disasters? So bad it better be incom…

For example, don't you think Trump acted well regarding getting vaccine quickly ?
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