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YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#762I'm baffled how people support this behavior from big tech. It almost seems like they think of themselves as immune to this somehow, like little sheep unable to comprehend that they themselves once will deviate will get the same treatment (assuming they have spine to stand for what they believe).
Sure, they even support it right here on hn - the downvoted comments are very difficult to read and you can’t read the flagged comments - thanks guys for your gentle care for my mental health.
Yes you can read flagged comments. Turn on showdead. I leave them off because they're far less often than a regular comment worth the time spent reading.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#763If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…
> some impartial account of what really happened This can be very hard to acquire, especially for events that we are far removed from. Then again, maybe it isn't necessary. Simply reading about a story twice with a deliberate bias on each side can be extremely revealing. Would more people be inclined to do this if we taught it in schools? I hope so. These days it feels like the reporting of the news is more real to t…
Not only is it hard to acquire, such viewpoints are impossible to acquire: every attempt to put experience and research into words has a point of view and that point of view colors the story being told. Attempts to be impartial are themselves often a persuasive technique intended to make your appear view more plausible.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#764I just don't get this. Why does Google have to be the censorship police here? Just let people post what they want (minus graphic and illegal content) and make their own mistakes and their own learnings. Google is going down a rabbit hole full of worms. Posting conspiracy theories about election fraud is just people exercising their free speech. Google is a private platform, so they can censor whatever they want, but…
You're conflating free speech (government) with a business's decision to monitor their platform (private). These two things are very different.
>What's the goal here?
To make their platform not full of bullshit. YouTube isn't the government, there is no such thing as the 1st amendment to them, so they cull that which is bad for business.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#765The wikipedia article for the 1876 presidential election should probably be removed from google search as well [1], since it alleges widespread fraud that changed the result of the election, and we are past the safe harbor deadline. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876_United_States_presidentia...
Except this is fact-based article. The issue at hand is that there are widespread claims being made that are completely baseless. They are not substantiated by facts. Videos that are making claims without any evidence are not equivalent to an actual scandal/controversy that is backed by evidence. In other words, the claims being made in this election will not be presented in the same format of the article you shared…
We can write a fact-based article about the 2020 election too. A better 1876 comparison to Youtube's place in 2020 probably can't be had, since I doubt there are many records of the conversations and arguments had about it by regular people in public spaces.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#766I'm baffled how people support this behavior from big tech. It almost seems like they think of themselves as immune to this somehow, like little sheep unable to comprehend that they themselves once will deviate will get the same treatment (assuming they have spine to stand for what they believe).
The "slippery slope" argument doesn't work in this case (as for usual). Youtube already removes certain types of content and it already removes certain types of political content. This is necessary to monetize the platform in a meaningful way.
deumeti isn't making a 'slippery slope' argument. A slippery slope would imply that the issue gets worse and worse along some spectrum over time. For example: arguing that allowing homosexuality will lead to bestiality and pedophilia because they all exist along a dimension of perverted acts.
deumeti is just pointing out that cheer-leading censorship and tyranny, just because you are on the 'winning side', will inevitably lead to you becoming oppressed in the same way. Think of all the stories where a bunch of lackeys support the antagonist, only to be ultimately betrayed and destroyed. It's more of a 'Lucius Malfoy' argument, not 'slippery slope'.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#767So, if China censors something that's censorship and if Youtube and Twitter does it (with the blessing of the Govt) , it's to protect the people from conspiracies..Got it..
The people passively or actively supporting this stuff because it suits their ideological aims are mentally more aligned with the guards over at China's Uyghur concentration camps than they are to the freedom orientated people who founded the country they're currently occupying. Shoulder shrugs and "ugh, fuck, well at least it's the people we disagree with" at best.
Ah yes the slave owning freedom orientated people who founded the country would know best about freedom.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#768If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…
In my 'education', I can't think of a single element of the historical record that was presented through conflicting accounts of contemporary sources. One side is simply labeled as evil and ignored, but, as far as I know, nobody has ever agreed with this characterization of themselves. Evidence too, if at all, was always used to support a narrative account of events, rather than to eliminate possibilities until a par…
When did your history education end? Because this stuff happens literally constantly once you leave the 100-level undergraduate classes.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#769https://www.engadget.com/youtube-election-misinformation-dem... So, i'm kind of curious how it's reasonable a political party can ask for partisan censorship. >YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received a letter on Tuesday from four Democratic senators expressing “deep concern” over the spread of election misinformation on Google’s video platform. In the letter, senators Robert Menendez of New Jersey, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii…
Well, that's an easy question. The answer is No. This isn't government censorship since the government isn't doing it. Same as if a politician asks you not to park on their lawn it's not "Government issues diktat against man for parking car".
Mafia coming to you for protection money since "bad things happen" is not extortion. They just ask nicely. The fact that your building burned down after you didn't pay is totally unrelated.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#770Unpopular opinion: it is much better to have a leader hated by the media and who's every move is scrutinized by the press than to have a leader cowtowed by the press and given a free pass on anything. How do I know? I'm from Russia. Authoritatism begins with tight control of news sources.
YouTube !== Government
Your comparison is off.