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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by herogreen »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #35

First impression: yes, this looks beautiful, reminiscent of the microcomputer revolution, and of course I wish I could get one. What would I change? It's a pity that the keyboard is connected using a flip-up ribbon, rather than internal USB. Although I can see why the target market (education) just prefers an all-in-one computer, this also means that the RPi 400 can't be used as a keyboard for other computers. Theref…

If one of the usb port allow OTG someone can hack a driver to turn the 400 into a keyboard (albeit a very bloated one as it would be running a full OS!).

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by flubert »

macjohnmcc wrote: post #739
NoOneNew wrote: post #735

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It's a laptop minus the screen... that's all it amounts to. It's a keyboard with the proc and memory underneath it. I don't understand how any of this is revolutionary or special. Hell, it doesn't even have a battery.

I think the price alone makes it revolutionary. Laptops aren't $100 brand new and if it were what would that screen look like? Most people who would benefit from this price probably have a TV they can connect it to.

>Laptops aren't $100 brand new

Getting close?

https://www.newegg.com/p/0G6-00ZK-002K5?Item=9SIA6Z72ED8144

https://www.newegg.com/p/1TS-003M-00001?Item=9SIA7Z046M4434

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by serf »

josefresco wrote: post #610
ineedasername wrote: post #492

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1) You can hook this up to a TV. 2) Webcam isn't strictly necessary: You'll be able to "see" your teacher, type in chat, virtually raise your hand, etc. 3) This enables more advanced STEM (The "T" portion, really) not because it's a desktop but because of the built-in 40-pin connector opening it up to the massive catalog of projects that exist for the Pi platform already. 4) Perfect is the enemy of the good: You're c…

> 2) Webcam isn't strictly necessary Not in our school district (Mass), students are required to have cameras on and showing most of their face.

I ditched high school prodigiously as a kid.

I imagine if I were a kid now-a-days, but with the same hobbies I had when I was a kid for real i'd probably be deep-faking a wobbling face image pretty fast.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by jaclaz »

cstross wrote: post #721
interestica wrote: post #716

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The one weird thing to me is their mouse placement decision. Their promo photos and videos show it on the left side because of the most convenient usb port. I have never actually seen a left-placed mouse in the wild. Having it all look so clean and organized in the promo is a bit disingenuous. In reality, the mouse will be on the right, and the cable will have to cross over top of all cables except the ethernet and u…

> I have never actually seen a left-placed mouse in the wild. Then you've never seen my desk! (About 10-15% of the population is left-handed) But really, the Pi 400 supports Bluetooth 5. So I expect many/most folks will go wireless for their rodents.

Actually this has little to do with being left-handed, it depends on other factors.

I am right handed and use the mouse with the left, so that I have my right hand "free" to use a pen or the (right side) numeric keypad when crunching numbers.

And I do not (as many left-handers do) "invert" the miue buttons, maybe I am strange/an exception.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by jaclaz »

interestica wrote: post #760
otto2 wrote: post #743

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Me too. Due to some issues with right hand I retrained myself to use mouse with my left hand. Now I can use mouse by both hands, and in both button orientations.

You basically just convinced me that I should be training my left hand to use my mouse. In all cases except precision work (eg graphic design) it should be doable.

Side note, but if you actually do graphic design, get a digitizer/gtaphic pen tablet, it is simply "another world" when compared to mouse, nowadays even an el-cheapo one ( i.e. something in the 40-60 US$ range)is good enough for non-professional use.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by werber »

95014_refugee wrote: post #753
werber wrote: post #744

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I've been considering buying one. How much cost do you think you spend per year on matinence?

I have a family member that had a long flirtation with MGBs and MGCs. The short answer is "as much as you're able to".

ugh, I want to pull the trigger so bad, but I don't drive at all now, but a fun manual would make going to trader joes regularly easy

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by alsargent »

I'll make two bets:

1) PC makers start coming out with their own keyboard computers with a similar form function within the next 12 months.

2) A future Mac Mini has this same keyboard form factor. (Perhaps with a "keyboard + magic trackpad" form factor.)

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by alsargent »

NoOneNew wrote: post #735
codysan wrote: post #349

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It reminds me of what Apple does when it redefines a product category by "just" bringing together existing technology into a more convenient form factor and UX. That's a wonderful observation. The form factor is as clever as it is logical. Stuff like this makes me really optimistic for the future of Raspberry Pi (and widespread computing!).

It's a laptop minus the screen... that's all it amounts to. It's a keyboard with the proc and memory underneath it. I don't understand how any of this is revolutionary or special. Hell, it doesn't even have a battery.

Also, screens last a long time, but it's the computers themselves that need continual ugrading. Case in point: we have a Dell screen from 18 year ago. The Dell desktop long since became obsolete.

So this makes a lot of sense economically, especially for cash-strapped organizations like schools that have to manage large fleets of machines.

Stuff that isn't touched and lasts long (screens) don't get replaced. Stuff that is touched (and likely to wear out over time) like keyboards or gets out of date due to Moore's Law (computer) is fused into one package, so there are fewer cables to worry about getting unplugged, worn out, etc.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by NoOneNew »

alsargent wrote: post #768
NoOneNew wrote: post #735

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It's a laptop minus the screen... that's all it amounts to. It's a keyboard with the proc and memory underneath it. I don't understand how any of this is revolutionary or special. Hell, it doesn't even have a battery.

Also, screens last a long time, but it's the computers themselves that need continual ugrading. Case in point: we have a Dell screen from 18 year ago. The Dell desktop long since became obsolete. So this makes a lot of sense economically, especially for cash-strapped organizations like schools that have to manage large fleets of machines. Stuff that isn't touched and lasts long (screens) don't get replaced. Stuff tha…

That's fair, but there's another problem. It's hard enough to find a regular educator that's qualified to teach kids about computers on a Windows or Apple. Linux is going to be easier?

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

rbanffy wrote: post #745
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #738

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Fair enough in general, but the Raspberry Pi has an Acorn RISC Machine, of course. O:-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Acorn_RISC_Ma...

The ARM design was inspired by the 6502, which is shared by all of the most interesting 8-bit computers.

Fair enough in general. But specifically the first few generations of _ARM_ computers happened to have orange keys.
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