The people denying the pandemic (or calling it a "plandemic"), or refusing to wear masks because muh freedoms, or protesting lockdowns are going to be laughed at in history classes for decades. You are unbelievably ignorant, selfish and arrogant. You are the reason this stuff needs to be enforced in the first place, because too many people completely lack empathy and critical thinking ability.
Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition
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#762There is a crossfit gym that I pass by every morning on the way to work. It is full, and never stopped during this pandemic. Even at 7AM, it is full of patrons. I would call the "proper authorities", but since there is a State Police car parked outside every morning, and he is in there working out, just like before the pandemic, I doubt calling anyone would do anything. Adding to the post, I read it earlier... it is…
>>>I would call the "proper authorities" Why? What harm is going on here? If you don’t like it, don’t participate. Leave us alone, narc.
nah, shut you down with the health board for putting everyone's lives at risk. there's no live and let live here. if folks just sit back and do nothing, people will die.
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#763Earlier quoted context omitted.
Europe can be lax now precisely because it was strict early enough and long enough to bring prevalence down to a safer level.
I think that is a mistake. Exponential math doesn't fail to work just because you delay it for a while. Everyone started with just one case.
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#764Anyone dedicated enough to be still going to the gym is going to be healthy enough that they will have no problem with the coronavirus. The obese, diabetic etc will take any excuse to skip gym.
Went to the gym 3 times a week, cycled 25k every weekday, ran on the weekends. Now I can only walk, after covid, which I got in early March. I'm hoping to try jogging again at some stage, after CT scans on my lungs, but I think it's a bit of a pipe dream. After 5 months the daily nausea has stopped. No prior conditions. Early 40s. edit: can't think of another site on the internet you'd get downvoted for the above, HN…
hn has become a cesspool for /r/thedonald rejects
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#765Earlier quoted context omitted.
Proper authorities, photo of car, and a set of local news organisations, plus a few tweets and your state reps, might get some attention. Play interests off each other.
> Proper authorities, photo of car, and a set of local news organisations, plus a few tweets and your state reps, might get some attention. > Play interests off each other. Papers please!
requiring a business to abide by local laws isn't the same as randomly requesting identifying papers for no reason, cut the hyperbole.
i suppose you freak out when the health department does restaurant inspections too? "it's my right to eat as much rat poop as i want!"
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#766Wow with these comments. You going to the gym is not saving the economy. Yes, we can't shut everything down but you'd think the article was about shutting down grocery stores or the stock market. And by not doing your part, your whole community could be stunted for 2 years. Also congratulations for not caring about a 1 in 200 chance of death (pretty high by the way) because you're healthy and passing on the risk to s…
> Also congratulations for not caring about a 1 in 200 chance of death (pretty high by the way) because you're healthy and passing on the risk to some vulnerable person (probably your parents or a school teacher) with a 1 in 10 chance of death
Where do you get these numbers from?
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#767Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but how many of those people would have died from the normal flu? I know this is a morbid topic, but it gets to a fundamental truth. How valuable is a human life? Is it worth significantly damaging the future of the young through economic depression and increased social isolation and mental illness to extend the life old old people by a year, 5 years? There is no easy solution. We can hibernate as much of the n…
Why are you so certain that hundreds of thousands of deaths are not going to seriously affect the economy either?
That’s about a month’s worth of deaths. The economic impact would be roughly that of everybody taking a really long vacation. We are past that. And it’s completely besides the point—-it does not seem like that is the calculus going into our policy decisions here in August.
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#768Earlier quoted context omitted.
I travelled all over Europe past two months and I must say Europe is quite laxed. And there cases haven’t really gone up. Pretty much every outdoor cafes in Europe were open with a few exceptions and I didn’t see much difference other than people wearing masks and social distancing between tables. I think in US everything is polarized and politicized. To the point that wearing masks is somehow considered against free…
Europe has twice the population of the United States. Yet despite this, United States has 4 TIMES the cases per day. Europe can relax because they worked hard in the beginning to get everything under control. The US never did that, most states (like my home state of Texas) did a half-assed closing for 3 weeks, so the numbers never really got under control.
> Europe can relax because they worked hard in the beginning to get everything under control.
Where do you see that COVID19 is over?
> under control
A very steep second wave of infection is, to me, the opposite of "under control". Do you actually check data?
https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/fr
Also, just routinely mentioning:
"No country knows the total number of people infected with COVID-19. All we know is the infection status of those who have been tested."
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
Also, the US tests about twice more (per thousand people) vs the rates of testing in Europe, so you should expect at least 2x more cases discovered in the US just by this mere fact.
Most of Europe also has only a "symptoms-based" testing policy, while the US also has an "asymptomic" testing policy.
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#769Unlike actual prohibition, the social agreement behind "lockdowns" is subject to time contingencies. The activities considered "essential" grow as time passes. While there are nominal categories of "essential" defined by community/political leaders, that contract depends on agreement. Since each person's conception of "essential" is different, as time passes "essential" grows exponentially instead of linearly.
Viewing it all through the lense of supply and demand is probably the best way to get a solid, dispassionate understanding of the situation. Specifically price inelasticity..
It also explains why workers in "essential" jobs are still low wage. An apparently baffling situation even though we were all taught the answer in highschool econ 101.
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#770Earlier quoted context omitted.
I travelled all over Europe past two months and I must say Europe is quite laxed. And there cases haven’t really gone up. Pretty much every outdoor cafes in Europe were open with a few exceptions and I didn’t see much difference other than people wearing masks and social distancing between tables. I think in US everything is polarized and politicized. To the point that wearing masks is somehow considered against free…
> They still have not come clean for their initial mask guidelines that was blatantly wrong. I'm not sure I follow here - what is missing on that front? They have explained why the mask recommendation changed and how they got to their initial recommendation. Not sure how much more they could do there.
What was the explanation again? The only one I've heard is that they lied to us so that medical first responders would have masks available. Which seems strange and unforgivable if true, seeing as how a simple piece of cotton fabric easily made at home (not fleece, as we've learned) would still have been a massive improvement over nothing at all.