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Post by stevens32 »

tomohawk wrote: post #694

The Chinese government moved in martial artists and elite alpine troops to the area. Shortly there after, a number of unarmed Indian soldiers end up dead in the same area. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-sent-marti... This is small potatoes compared to the concentration camps and genocide and ethic cleansing being forced on Tibet and East Turkistan (what CCP calls Xinjiang). Or to the forced harvest…

I read through the tribunal report expecting some sort of evidence, instead it uses guestimates to arrive at numbers for transplant volume then says there's no possible way the organs could've come from volunteers due to that volume. China has 4 times the population of the US, and right about 4 times the amount of transplants claimed in the report.

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vijaybritto wrote: post #17

China moved into Indian territory and has killed 20 Indian soldiers and this is how India is retaliating. The prime minister is not even mentioning China in his speeches or tweets. This has been a disaster for our country.

Don't worry, apparently India has "snapped the necks of at least 18 PLA"

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/indian-soldiers-merciless...

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by TulliusCicero »

baddox wrote: post #691
TulliusCicero wrote: post #551

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No, they can't. If the US were to ban Chinese apps, and then China relented and allowed in American apps, and then the US kept the ban, that would make the hypocrisy clear. You could even made it explicit in the law, similar to what the EU is doing for travel reciprocity now that the coronavirus situation isn't as bad: have the text of the law explicitly say that the ban automatically lifts if the other country coope…

That’s exactly what I’m saying. To actually get free trade a country has to refuse to reciprocate in trade restrictions. This is my point, it’s not “free trade” for one country to match other countries’ restrictions on trade.

Sure, but it could pressure countries to actually engage in free trade.

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Post by systemvoltage »

affb-4d68-a85 wrote: post #722
systemvoltage wrote: post #370

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While I agree about symmetric response to China, here is the problem: > By banning more advanced, foreign competitors, India gives its local entrepreneurs a chance to grow hugely successful domestic apps, which can then compete internationally. If India bans international apps from competing within India, wouldn't Indian apps from these new found enterpreneurs expect the same response from other countries? There is a…

>wouldn't Indian apps from these new found enterpreneurs expect the same response from other countries? I am from India, and I don't think this would matter a lot if the company doesn't suffer from grand delusions of trying to go global etc. There are a lot of very idiosyncratic things about the culture here (just as in other countries) where it makes a lot of sense to develop India specific apps. Also, the nature of…

Specifically, responding to the comment about local start ups in India: I agree with these notes,

- A company that wants to cater to Indian public must understand the local system, rules, culture, laws, taboos, and norms.

- Local and domestic entrepreneurs in India have that edge by the virtue of being immersed in the locality.

- Foreign companies will always need to adapt and evolve according to the needs of the Indian public.

This is the best kind of “head start” or “subsidization” one can have in a free and open market. There is nothing wrong with this.

The problem is in preventing international companies from competing in India which, I believe was the case before the 90’s. That was a disastrous foreign policy as the history books tell us.

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Post by leozhi2 »

I run a hard tech product team, our product is moving from prototype to the alpha stage in the next three months. Lots of components come in from China, because they cost twice as much in this country. WeChat is how we (or anyone) talk to Chinese vendors. No Canton Fair, no China travel, communication cut off at its knees, and issues with customs' clearances - this is going to be a brutal time for strained budgets and timelines.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

ianleeclark wrote: post #57
saltedonion wrote: post #42

India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

Are YouTube algorithms open? I don't really see a difference here. Nation state vs. private corporation is different on paper, but I don't see why. They're both going to react to material stimuli to increase their standings.

Xi is censoring protests on their platforms, but it's clear that Trump can't.

That's a clear proof of difference.

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Post by pelliphant »

shaftoe wrote: post #650
xwolfi wrote: post #615

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I think you forget a detail. Nation state, or any state, are sovereign. If the national community agrees on something, it's all that matter. We don't have to abide by other countries standards on everything especially if we dont like it. Im thinking as a French I had to fight a lot with free speech absolutists abroad, while at home we're quite okay with selective censorship... it sounds scary to an American sometimes…

The idea that restrictions in human liberty are subject to when "a national community agrees on something" is laughable at best and evil at worst.

But what is human liberty?

The problem here (as I see it) is that the definition of liberty is very subjective, and yet people make arguments like yours based on the premise that their personal definition of liberty is an objective truth.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

ianleeclark wrote: post #161
saltedonion wrote: post #116

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You have a good point. But TikTok is much more risky, and as as such requires much more scrutiny given existing body of knowledge between how chinese social media / chat companies such as WeChat enforce government censorship and aid in propagating misinformation. This might be a shock to most people in the western world, but if you go on almost ANY news website in china, the headline news is dedicated to government p…

> The reality is that Chinese firms and government operates together intimately No, I get this, but here's the thing: YouTube and, more specifically, it's advertisers do everything that you're accusing China of. There are material consequences if YouTube doesn't keep in line. What this means is that a status quo that pleases advertisers will be maintained. It's every bit propaganda as dropping leaflets, but you can't…

Currently, the advertisers seem to be pulling back from "evil" and have done so in the past.

So they actually have a good influence, redirecting marketing dollars for "marketing" ( since it looks good on the outside).

China doesn't care, they even block Winnie the Pooh.

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