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Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by kortilla » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 9:55 PM UTC

camelNotation wrote: post #732

Razengan wrote: post #709

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> And wow how I've missed Android, the UX is soooo much better in most aspects. iOS has its problems, but every time I have to handle somebody's Android (i.e. to help them do something faster than telling them), I want to give it back as quickly as possible.

I feel the same way when someone hands me an iPhone. In 2020, the operating systems are equally capable and refined, it's just a question of what you're used to. If you had a great Android phone for a few months, you'd probably be just as comfortable with it as you are an iPhone. When someone asks me what phone to buy, my answer is always "what phone do you have now?" because frankly, there is no reason to switch fro…

Unless you care about privacy, in which case the answer seems to be iPhone. I haven’t found a good Android experience that doesn’t involve funneling everything to Google.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by tambourine_man » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 9:57 PM UTC

4" size is truly dead then. What a shame.

I think we'll look at these comically large phones in the future like we look Gordon Gekko's phone today.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by jm1234567890 » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 9:57 PM UTC

Can someone confirm or deny if it has night mode?

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by BigBalli » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 9:59 PM UTC

Another current SE user here. I've been waiting for this since rumors started 6+ months ago.

I was hoping they were going to keep the same screen size but think I'll upgrade anyways. Figure I will need to eventually and this has a solid tech bump-up.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by fabiandesimone » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 9:59 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #214

I was itching for this announcement, not because I want to buy an iPhone, but because this will finally mean other manufacturers will start to make compact phones. It drives me up the wall that I simply cannot find a reasonably competent phone (i.e. mid/upper range from the past 4 years) which is not absolutely fucking huge. It's insane that the "phablet" standard from ~5 years ago is now not even the new standard, b…

Have you tried the Google Pixel 3a?

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by hoorayimhelping » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:00 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #214

I was itching for this announcement, not because I want to buy an iPhone, but because this will finally mean other manufacturers will start to make compact phones. It drives me up the wall that I simply cannot find a reasonably competent phone (i.e. mid/upper range from the past 4 years) which is not absolutely fucking huge. It's insane that the "phablet" standard from ~5 years ago is now not even the new standard, b…

>but because this will finally mean other manufacturers will start to make compact phones.

Why does it mean that? They could have been building compact phones already and they weren't. Not sure why they're going to start now when Apple is clearly signalling to the industry that people don't want to buy small smartphones.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by arkj » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:03 PM UTC

rorykoehler wrote: post #543

arkj wrote: post #535

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>>but not sure that'll be possible (maybe I can borrow somebody's iPhone 8). My SE broke recently and I had to switch to iPhone 8 (They stopped selling SE by then in India). I am able to manage but the form factor is no where as comfortable as the old SE. >> Price point is, admittedly, fantastic True for the developed nations but still on the higher side for India and South East Asia. If they could price it at 299 in…

My impression of India was that up could either easily afford the iphone or you were in the market for a budget phone. Not much middle market. Is that a correct assumption?

That used to be correct in the past but things have changed here a lot. There is a growing population of the middle class. Nothing compared to what is there in the developed countries but nonetheless with some significant purchasing power.

The mean income of the 90th percentile in India in 2004 was about 113 USD a month.[1] In the next 4 years the GDP has increased ~4x. [2]

Now even if we assume (I don't have data from a study on this) the 90th percentile income doubled, it leaves them with 226 USD a month.

I can say from personal experience that is a modest assumption. My own salary has increased 40x in this time period. If you consider my friends (a sample space of 30) whose salary I keep track, the average increase is around 20x.

Now it is very reasonable (as the phone has become a very personal "being") to assume that someone in this income will spend a month of their salary on their phone.

Now that is a market size of 120 million people and increasing.

On a personal note, I run a operations company of ~40 people and their average salary is ~300 USD a month and everyone has a phone that costs more than 200USD.

So I think it's reasonable to assume Apple is still missing the bus.

[1] https://ihds.umd.edu/sites/default/files/publications/pdf-fi...

[2] https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&...

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by ehsankia » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:05 PM UTC

anon777778 wrote: post #634

akvadrako wrote: post #209

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It isn't about the screen size - it's about the external dimensions. This is almost as large as the Pixel 4A, Samsung S10e or iPhone 11. You are only saving a couple grams and a few mm. Hopefully the Sony Xperia 5 II comes out soon - it should be smaller than this.

Exactly this. I compared it to Samsung S10e and in terms of size new iPhone SE and Samsung S10e are really close: (HxWxD in mm) S10e: 142.2 x 69.9 x 7.9; mass 150g; screen 5.8" SE: 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3; mass 148g; screen 4.7"

Yep, the thing is, this phone has a huuuge forehead and chin which is comparable to from 5 years ago. Even if you don't want notches and pinholes, you can still have much thinner bezels without actually changing the body size. Look at this photo of Pixel 1 vs Pixel 2. They are both the same body size: https://i.imgur.com/VVqVt2x.png

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by microcolonel » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:05 PM UTC

Anyone else miss the 3:2 aspect ratio phones? If they made a device that handles like an iPhone 4S but with smaller bezels, chin, and forehead (and maybe slightly thinner, if they must), I figure that'd be a killer. Maybe it's less of an issue now that most of their apps seem to support navigation from the canvas rather than the top left corner of the screen (I don't know since I have only ever used iPhones for testing, and not recently), but it would be nice if an ordinary person could reach every part of the screen with a thumb without adjusting their grip.

Also this phone isn't even compact, whether they slap the SE label on it.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by findthewords » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:06 PM UTC

The features on offer here for the price sre surprisingly good from Apple.

The big phone/small phone argument will be silly in a couple of years when we all have folding phones.