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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Ireland and the UK are not part of that "mass of land" :-)

True, but technically both are - North of the Mediterranean sea - West of the Ural mountains - no land route to America

It might include lots of Canadian islands, though. Maybe specify that it needs to be on or east of the mid-Atlantic ridge as well.

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It's not clear the US does have fewer proportions of actual cases, just fewer tested ones. Saying the virus cannot be stopped seems defeatist. China seems to have managed it locally, albeit with some very aggressive measures.

It’s only a matter of time before it starts over there again, even if through back-propagation from other countries. Everyone’s talking as though China solved the problem. Incredible.

They don't need to solve the problem, just keep the infection rate slow enough to be controlled medically. And then keep everything locked down enough until we can get a vaccine produced. Admittedly, a gargantuan task, and I don't think it's going to happen anywhere else.

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a) is because as I understand it it's /very/ hard to legally refuse to readmit a US citizen. You can seize all their stuff at the border but besides arresting them for a crime you can't really keep them from coming home.

You can't refuse to readmit a US citizen (as in a person that can prove that they're readily a US citizen). They can force you into quarantine and take all your stuff, but you have a right to be in the country.

Even without a passport? If I rocked up to the border of my country without a passport I'm pretty sure I'd be thrown into a detention centre if I wasn't deported on the spot.

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Compared to similar areas elsewhere in the world, especially Asia, these areas are not dense at all. Wuhan, which you surely hadn't heard of before this crisis, is ~denser than~ nearly as dense as New York City, for example.

Is it though? ---------------------------- Wuhan Central Districts population: 6,434,373 density: 7,242/km2 ---------------------------- New York population: 8,398,748 density: 10,715/km2

Off by a bit, sorry, edited.

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On the other hand, Americans have much larger and more comfortable homes than Europeans. Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store. Very few people use public transportation regularly. Most people have private back yards. Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru. More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans. In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves a…

> Overall, social distancing is probably easier for Americans because our way of life already involves a good deal of social distance to begin with. While that's true, behavior trumps lifestyle I think. I had a dentist appointment scheduled for this morning in San Francisco. I called my dentist office and explained that my wife has some mild-flu symptoms and asked if we should reschedule. They said that's since I don…

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I wonder about British/Irish people. Passports for EU citizens aren't stamped anywhere in the EU. I live in Denmark. Would the USA know if I flew to the UK, then the USA? (I don't intend to do this.)

Since UK isn't in Shengen don't you need to show ID on entry? Surely they record who comes in

All EU citizens (including Irish) and British citizens show a passport or national identity card when entering Britain or Ireland, or when entering the Schengen area.

The document is checked, but it is not stamped. GB/IE←→Schengen checks used to be very simple — often just a glance, no checking the chip or swiping the passport in a reader. Often it was just one or two customs people standing by the gate and looking at each document, not even with a desk. Now (since the refugee thing?) they do swipe the document on the passport-reader-machine.

I assume an electronic record is kept (at least for some period of time), and it is surely shared within the EU+GB, but I don't know if it would be shared to the USA.

(If the situation were reversed, would the USA tell the EU about American citizens who've crossed the US/Canada border using their driving license?)

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I wonder about British/Irish people. Passports for EU citizens aren't stamped anywhere in the EU. I live in Denmark. Would the USA know if I flew to the UK, then the USA? (I don't intend to do this.)

> Passports for EU citizens aren't stamped anywhere in the EU. I live in Denmark. Would the USA know if I flew to the UK, then the USA? This kind of question is a weird one to me. It's like "oh, marijuana prohibition hasn't worked so we should tax it and regulated it". If you're breaking the law, there's sanctions. You may or may not get caught, and you may or may not be penalised, but that imperfection doesn't decid…

We saw many people in Italy fled south by train and car in the hours before quarantine was to be imposed in parts of the north.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people in Europe are making similar "escape plans" via the UK, if they feel they need to be in the USA for some reason.

As an example: a parent of an international student, whose university in the USA has just been shut down.

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Does anybody know for certain if friday midnight means friday 00:00 am or friday 11:59 pm? Basically, start of day friday or end of day?

Dutch media reports "night from Friday to Saturday", so it's the latter. But that still leaves the open question in which timezone the 11:59 is in (and whether that's a static timezone, or based on local time at departure/arrival), and whether the 11:59 refers to actual or planned time of departure/arrival.

Yes, multiple news media reports the ban going into effect on 11:59 pm Friday. Some (e.g., "The Sun") report it as 12:00 am Friday. Unless they give an official answer from the White House, I would not consider either report from news as reliable. "Midnight Friday" can be interpreted both ways until they clarify.

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Ireland and the UK are not part of that "mass of land" :-)

True, but technically both are - North of the Mediterranean sea - West of the Ural mountains - no land route to America

Anything east of the Ural mountains is also west of the Ural mountains if you travel far enough. :)

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Depending on to which country they intended to travel exactly but all the western side of Europe is on the brink of COVID-19 explosion. Germany, France and Spain are just 7-10 days behind Italy based on number of corona virus infections. The rest are possibly around 2 weeks behind, I have not run the numbers for every country (disclosure: I am not a medical professional, my estimates are based on simple time series b…

Yay! I'm in Germany! The authorities here don't seem to care). I was trying to buy some food yesterday and there were massive queues hanging outside various apparently crowded social venues. At least I work from home and my wife has been told they have to start wfh tomorrow.

Fellow German here. It's not that the authorities don't care. They're just putting "avoid panic" as their #1 priority above "contain the outbreak". Large events and gatherings are getting shut down, just not as vigorously as would be prudent.
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