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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by BurningCycles »

cromwellian wrote: post #502
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #256

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Copyright enforcement has always been about going after big abuses. With some incredibly rare exceptions, generally speaking, nobody has ever been at serious risk for sending one copy of a movie or music CD to a friend. There is too much sharing and too many individual parties to chase after every way people technically violate copyright law. Many of the cases out there involved people sharing on a large scale. Examp…

I once clicked on a Torrent for a Disney movie. A day later, I received a notice from Comcast that I have 1 out of 5 strikes of accessing copyrighted content, and if I hit 5, my internet access will be terminated. ISPs will be forced into doing more of this if piracy becomes large scale decentralized, which it will. Copyright enforcement is about ambulance chasing. Small time channels, like game streamers, who happen…

>Just ask Napster, LimeWire, Scour, Kazaa, Grokster, Madster, and eDonkey2000, all of which were brought down by injunctions.

All of those were commercial outings trying to make money out of their proprietary piracy client software, the open source versions are still around, and even very old networks like ed2k is still up and running. The current 'dominant form' is bittorrent, and from what I can tell it is doing just fine.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by kmlx »

toyg wrote: post #536
koonsolo wrote: post #415

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Right now, when one of my users uploads copyrighted material, I can take it down when I see it. Or when I get a complaint (DMCA takedown). We're taking about teenagers here, so it's not always clear to them that they cannot use ripped sprites from other games, or music, or whatever. Basically I can make the uploader responsible for what they upload. The secondary problem is that my biggest competitor also has a lot o…

> after the UK leaves, not a single native English speaking country in there Oi! Ireland and Malta would have a word with you, mate. > I can just block that region (not the biggest one anyway Not the biggest, but the richest.

>> Not the biggest, but the richest

It depends on what you mean by rich. From a GDP PPP perspective there are issues on short, medium and long term when compared with other countries. For example: China is richer than the whole of the EU (incl UK). US is almost as rich as the EU. India is 1/2 and Japan 1/4.

*By rich I mean GDP PPP.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by tills13 »

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

> You can use Mastodon [0] instead of Twitter, PeerTube [1] instead of YouTube, Aether [2] instead of reddit, etcetera

try convincing _anyone_ who isn't already on one of those platforms to switch. It's nice on-paper to say "don't like? don't use" but it's not going to happen.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by johnzim »

mimimi31 wrote: post #735
nkkollaw wrote: post #721

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Very interesting. If the dark web becomes popular though, won't the same people try to regulate it? They could make .onion link illegal for ISPs to load and kill it overnight.

That's actually already been proposed in Germany. The parliamentary state secretary of the interior ministry just last month said: "People who use the darknet usually are up to no good. This simple realization should be reflected in our legal system." and "I understand why the darknet can be useful in autocratic systems. But in a free and open democracy, in my opinion, there is no legitimate use."

The irony is quite delicious.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by isostatic »

wvenable wrote: post #653
isostatic wrote: post #521

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Don't use platforms them. Host it yourself.

You have to host somewhere!!! Ever gotten an abuse email from the data center holding your physical hardware? I have. My tiny forum that has 50 participants max actually has a filter to prevent anyone from using the word "Elton".

> You have to host somewhere!!! Ever gotten an abuse email from the data center holding your physical hardware?

No

This law does nothing to change that in any case. Get a (US law) DMCA takedown, and ignore it, job done.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by toasterlovin »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #744
toasterlovin wrote: post #722

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So the actions of some people (whoever lied about issues related to the referendum) invalidates the actions of a separate, unaffiliated group (voters)? In other words, what you're saying is that all I have to do to invalidate your vote (and, really, your entire political viewpoint) is to take out some ads on Facebook that make untrue claims about your cause?

That's the reason the political process, funding, advertisements are all regulated in the UK. To supposedly prevent such things. Clearly struggling in current conditions, but redesigning the oversight is a different conversation. It's not just one ad or campaign, or funding, but a whole interminable series of them. At some point it's no longer poetic licence and firmly into fraudulent. The vote should - based on the…

Look, I'm not British, so I don't know all the details on the Brexit campaign. I just see a certain thing all the time (generally on the part of people on the left, though I am certain that the roles have been reversed many times in the past), which is to point to some disinformation (Russian meddling in the U.S., whatever happened around Brexit in the U.K.) and then draw the conclusion that the only reason people on the other side voted for Brexit/Trump is because they're just so darned gullible that they were taken in by the Russians (or Farage or whatever).

Frankly, it's just people being unwilling to consider that the opposition has legitimate and deeply held political grievances with the status quo. I mean, just think about the argument. People only voted for Trump because of Russian meddling. That implies a belief that media can significantly influence people. But the vast majority of the media hated Trump. So then you have to hold two opposing viewpoints simultaneously: that media is deeply influential (when it's paid for by the Russian state) and that it simply isn't influential (when wielded by the established media and every celebrity with a platform). I suspect that there are a lot similarities with Brexit.

So which is it? Does media matter? Or does it not?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by cromwellian »

BurningCycles wrote: post #761
cromwellian wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once clicked on a Torrent for a Disney movie. A day later, I received a notice from Comcast that I have 1 out of 5 strikes of accessing copyrighted content, and if I hit 5, my internet access will be terminated. ISPs will be forced into doing more of this if piracy becomes large scale decentralized, which it will. Copyright enforcement is about ambulance chasing. Small time channels, like game streamers, who happen…

>Just ask Napster, LimeWire, Scour, Kazaa, Grokster, Madster, and eDonkey2000, all of which were brought down by injunctions. All of those were commercial outings trying to make money out of their proprietary piracy client software, the open source versions are still around, and even very old networks like ed2k is still up and running. The current 'dominant form' is bittorrent, and from what I can tell it is doing ju…

Doing fine, as in, a tiny insignificant chunk of the userbase of the major consumer platforms use them. They are not serving most people, and are frustrating to use.

Left out of this discussion is simply some Chinese company, like Douyin/Tiktok just hosting a Youtube competitor, and hoisting a giant middle finger to the EU. The EU will have to erect their own great firewall to stop it.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by maxxxxx »

random878 wrote: post #312

As someone who grew up alongside the internet, I wonder if this is just part of the bigger picture of where the internet has always been heading... The bigger, more popular, and ubiquitous it became the more corporate and political powers were going to seek to rule it. Now were are at an age of internet giants with the GDP of small countries, and political elections being swayed by the bovine herds of Facebook and Tw…

"I think many will stop seeing the darkweb as a place of CP and drug dealing, and more of an internet free from regulation."

I think it's more likely that most people will forget that the internet was once wide open and will accept the locked down state as normal.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by patwilison »

This is good for democracy. The EU is a fine institution that has prevented google from selling our search history to the government. I applaud this decision and hope that it is part of broader anti-piracy campaign that would create minimum sentencing for pirates caught and if necessary the use of capital punishment would be deemed legal under EU law.

This should help prevent fake news and foster a more balanced online discussion.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by toyg »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #593
toyg wrote: post #553

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> The people having the real power in the EU are not elected (the European Commission). Sigh, how many times do we have to confute this lie? The real power is in the European Council , aka national governments assembled . That's the body that sets the agenda. The Commission takes its marching orders from the Council, then goes to the Parliament to figure out what it will accept. The Commission is a smokescreen, it's…

except we pushed back and pushed back until they got us by outrage fatigue and honestly fuck that, democracy shouldn't require constant protests not we want to transform democracy into a mob rule the issue is too much power too far from constituents and with little balances to prevent easy lobbying of few key people - it's basically broken at its core. "just vote for different people next time" yeah as if people don'…

Is this fresh copypasta? It has nothing to do with what I wrote.

I’ll repeat: the problem lies with national governments asking for bad laws to be made, and then with MEPs for not voting them down (this one was very close, to be fair). That would have happened at any level. Do you know how many stupid decisions are taken at town-council level?

Democracy is difficult and imperfect, but it’s still the best we got.

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