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Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Apple is part of the PRISM surveillance program [1] operated by the NSA. Internal slides from the NSA indicate that said program is capable of providing "extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information" including email, video, voice chat, photos, and more. When Apple was first approached about their role in PRISM they, unlike other companies, chose to outright lie stating that, "We have…

I find it amazing we have to repeat this again and again. People act like this never happened. I'm really wondering what's the cognitive mechanism that allows people to just discard enormous informations like this one.

This description sounds like a database for results of subpoenas. It is not a secret that the government can send a subpoena…

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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No, that's not "the only thing strange" about this. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with American history, but this is wildly without any remote precedent. Not to say that previous Presidents haven't done bad things, abused laws, etc, (shit, even launched disinfo campaigns, used the press to attack enemies, etc) but this is just gobsmackingly different from what has come before. Obviously caveat "if this is true" blah blah…

You need to read about the measures great past Presidents like Abraham Lincoln, amongst others, took. It's gonna be an eye-opening experience for you if your comment is in good faith.

But did Abraham Lincoln ever outright lie about it? Did he ever make a political speech where he categorically denied ordering the house arrest of a D.C. Circuit judge, or categorically deny that such a house arrest even occurred?

That's what's unprecedented. It's not abuse of power or corruption that's unprecedented. It's serial, bald faced lies to a willfully, spitefully credulous audience. Not even Nixon or his defenders were so unscrupulous, although it's fair to say that in Nixon lies some precedence.

I used to think it quaint that the dominant principle behind the 6th Amendment prohibition against compelling testimony against oneself remains the so-called cruel trilemma-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_officio_oat). But I realize now that, even without the metaphysical threat of damnation, a society must leave space for even the most corrupt and malicious individuals to avoid outright lying. Lies are the greatest poison to civil society by threatening the very notion of accountability and therefore of fairness or justice. Even when we know somebody is lying it's crucial that we grant them the fiction of plausible deniability, a quid pro quo for not violating the cardinal rule. In so far as the body politic permits and tolerates open lying, it destroys the last and perhaps only common bond between citizens--commitment to a shared truth, even if only nominally.

When a politician says that they can't remember, or even qualifies what would otherwise be a lie with "not to my recollection", that's actually a powerful gesture--submission to a critical civic virtue. When we get to a point when politicians, especially national leaders, don't bother with such gestures, and supporters don't even nominally demand them let alone exact some price, we're in a very bad place.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, there's solid evidence that Reagan openly lied when he denied any knowledge about Iran-Contra. But I think it's telling that we've convinced ourselves he was suffering from Alzheimers, forcing plausible deniability upon him. Even most Reagan detractors have reflexively internalized that narrative. (Obviously he was suffering from Alzheimers, but it's not very reasonable to believe that he was suffering to such an extent that he lacked the capacity for even complicity.)

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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The Fusion GPS/FBI collusion comes very close to what you describe.

Collusion? What do you mean by that term? You mean the FBI hired Fusion GPS for official business? I believe the term you are looking for is "contracting".

I think the reference is to the DNC funding Fusion GPS through a cutout (to evade campaign finance laws) and then providing the Steele dossier to the FBI. Which proceeded to lie about it to the FISA court in order to spy on Americans. That sort of thing.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Espionage is nothing new. Trump or US govt. ordering this is an attractive idea to Trump haters. Self serving for Bezos btw. But I think unlikely. No need. Like other smear attempts for instance Wikileaks on the Clinton campaign and also why its unlikely Mueller will EVER get the smoking gun on Trump. You don’t need to order these things, your allies will do it without your knowledge. Deniability.

Very optismistic POV considering the indictments in the works.

Please, tell us about the indictment in the works.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Can Bezos get a US court to impound the photos? Something akin to the UK 'super injunction'? That would make being caught leaking the photos perjury. The stakes are so high that AMI might well not dare to do that. Its easy to imagine that Bezos, whatever he is saying publicly, is also getting excellent legal consul privately and that two can play at the games that AMI is so infamous for.

I'm sure Mr. Bezos is familiar with the Streisand Effect.

Revenge porn laws seem like a valid counterpoint to the Streisand Effect. Even without that, you’re going to share his nudes just because he doesn’t want you to? Gross.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Sadly the era we're living in is that which blames Trump for every thing that goes wrong with no evidence whatsoever and many, many people cheer. That is dangerous as hell. I'm happy to be proven wrong but to also be clear: there is zero evidence that Trump had anything to do with this.

> Sadly the era we're living in is that which blames Trump for every thing that goes wrong with no evidence whatsoever Before a crime is proven, there's usually speculation. Just like people suspected Nixon of being involved in Watergate before there was actual proof. The truth can come slowly. I agree that we need to follow due process, but it's just as dangerous to categorize any suspicion of criminal activity as "…

Yup, just like people suspected Hillary to be involved in Seth Rich's murder?

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Which makes stories like this a lot more interesting: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mby7kq/malware-to... > Saudi Arabia paid $55 million to purchase iPhone malware made by NSO Group, according to a recent report by Israeli newspaper Haaretz The Saudis really disliked the Washington Post digging into their murder of Khashoggi, it doesn't seem too crazy that they set their sights on the boss and ended up s…

>AMI I heard "amazon Machine Image" and thought WTF - are the AMIs compromised....

Different sort of image ;)

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Jeff was using company money and contracts to keep his mistress happy. The pictures keep that in the spotlight. And despite the letter, does anyone think he isn’t spending a big chunk of time on this? Most Fortune 500 CEOs would be gone or forced into retirement.

> Jeff was using company money and contracts to keep his mistress happy. That would mean he literally committed fraud. What's your source for that info? > And despite the letter, does anyone think he isn’t spending a big chunk of time on this? Why shouldn't he spend his time on whatever he wants?

> fraud

Blue Origin yanked a super bowl ad after it was disclosed Sanchez was involved in its production team (presumably she was not free, and the ad certainly wasn’t.) It was then shifted to Washington Post at the last minute, with a slapdash ad. [0]

> ... time on whatever he wants?

He can, but that time has to come from somewhere. It’s hard to believe Amazon is getting his full attention. He can own the stock, but I certainly question whether Amazon has a business-focused leader right now.

[0]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/04/jeff-bezo...

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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--"I have little doubt that the current president will be confronted by a stack of previously sealed criminal indictments on the afternoon of the next president's inauguration day. Those cases will be tried in courts with a fixed standard of proof--beyond reasonable doubt for criminal cases, and preponderance of evidence for civil cases." The precedent has already been set there also -- both Bill and Hillary Clinton…

That's interesting that the political enemies of the Clintons controlled literally ever lever of government but there has not ever been charges. What world do you live in that you should continue to make such baseless claims and expect to be taken seriously?

You're confused in thinking republicans are the "political enemies of the clintons" -- many of them are far more an enemy to the current inhabitant of the white house than they ever were or have been to the Clintons. As I recall, one very prominent former Republican president voted for Hillary.

Washington is full of people who want power. They posture and make noise about political sides and beliefs, but in reality most of them are on the same side -- the side of the elite. They want power and money and don't like outsiders. The current inhabitant of the white house isn't part of the gang, and a significant portion of both camps (well, all of one camp and a portion of the other) are working very hard against him every day.

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