Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

Post by gdfasfklshg4 » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 2:06 PM UTC

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> Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again. I use Firefox. I always have. My experience is totally different to yours. Before FF57 it was a s…

I said "during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product", compared to the competition, not anterior version of itself. The later is a more complicated matter, as it was 10 years ago, with different expectations, hardware, user base and web.

Post by stock_toaster » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 7:09 PM UTC

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> Chrome didn’t come to dominate the desktop browser market by forcing users’ hand, but by offering a better experience . That, and popping up that "works better in chrome!" thing on every one of their web properties for a few years.

The way you phrase this almost suggests there isn't still an obnoxious pop-up partially obscuring search results every single time you go a Google Search while not logged in with a competing browser to this day.

Post by alwillis » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 9:55 PM UTC

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It just depends on how far you're trying to push these browsers. Chrome has a lot of crazy cutting edge APIs which allow amazing developer and therefore user experiences. For example, IntersectionObserver, which allows developers to know when a part of a page is active, and respond accordingly; Safari doesn't even implement IntersectionObserver, even though it's been a standardized spec since like 2013. It might seem…

Intersection Observer is being developed for Safari/WebKit: https://webkit.org/status/#?search=intersection

Post by taf2 » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 6:20 PM UTC

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Not even close. IE6 was a browser that was set in stone. It only ran on Windows. It's legacy that we live with today is the ActiveX controls that are basically parts of Windows. MS stopped innovating on the browser part of IE6 and focused on ActiveX e.g. native Windows components that you could use in the browser. You can't talk about IE6 and not mention how embedded it was with Windows. That is what made IE6 bad. Yo…

This reaction is pretty interesting. I was doing some webdev back then, and whilst everything you said was true it was the lack of cross browser CSS and Javascript testing which led to the real frustration. Back in 2002/03 IE6 had over 90% marketshare, and justifying testing in anything else was a constant battle.

Post by headmelted » Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 3:49 AM UTC

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It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

You seems very certain that Firefox will switch to Chromium but the recent trend is going in the exact opposite direction : - Firefox Focus is switching from Chromium Engine to Gecko Engine. - Huge amount of work in WebRender, they're starting to test it. If it lives up its promise Chromium Engine might fall far behind in terms of performance. So maybe you're right but from what we can tell right now, the current tre…