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LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police

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Post by maxerickson »

trhway wrote: post #449
j9461701 wrote: post #265

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>Shotgun slugs are a lot less penetrative than .50 BMG though; they're proportionally heavier and travel slower. What does the word "proportionally" mean in this sentence? Because factually, the slug is about half the weight of the BMG round. >You need significantly more thickness of armor just to stop the .50 BMG at all, by which point you've added so much more mass that you've gone much of the towards solving the h…

>You're looking at elephant-stomping-on-you levels of force, and you're trying to say it'll be mitigated somewhat because you have 5 pounds of steel on your chest rather than 2 pounds. You will be a person salsa even if you strapped a kitchen stove to yourself. the momentum conservation means that the 5 pound of steel would be moving with the speed of 18m/s after full momentum transfer from the 45g bullet hitting it…

5 pounds ain't enough steel to achieve full momentum transfer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chZZp-ALV6o

(I looked up the high strength steel armor plates; they do weigh about 5 pounds)

This big chunk of steel stops the bullet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrfskAfPB5s

Bit of a kick though and it pretty obviously isn't practical to strap something of similar strength to your body.

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Post by tomxor »

literallycancer wrote: post #741
tomxor wrote: post #726

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> police defaults to avoid violence, and defaults to not even carry guns. I think this might be more of a difference between the legality of guns in the US and UK. Guns are so rare in the UK because they are illegal to own for almost everyone. I can imagine that makes a big difference for a police officer's expectation of the likely potential danger of public adversaries... yes there are still knives and acid and wha…

I live in a country where guns are legal to own and the police still doesn't shoot random people for no reason. It's not that hard, just don't give the job to thugs.

Is gun ownership as common as in the US?

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Post by ryanlol »

m55au wrote: post #577
ryanlol wrote: post #516

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I'm well aware, but they still don't make sense in the context unless this is supposed to be a cherry picked list of worst years for each country. I'm still not sure which events the Finland one refers to.

It lists the mass shootings between 2000 and 2014. Take a look at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/obama-gun-co... for more information. The Finland events are obviously Jokela and Kauhajoki.

>The Finland events are obviously Jokela and Kauhajoki.

It's not that obvious with the 2009 Sello shooting being dropped out and the 2011 Utoya shooting being included.

Given the poor coverage it is very difficult to reverse engineer what this graph is supposed to portray without finding the original source.

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Post by dingbat »

danso wrote: post #757
dingbat wrote: post #740

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it was called in because he was pointing the rifle out of his hotel room window. i guess it's up to you to decide for yourself whether or not that could be called "careless". or whether it would be reasonable for a passerby to call in a report of someone pointing a rifle outside of a hotel room window, a couple months after Las Vegas.

The verdict came in a couple months after the 2017 Vegas shooting. The actual incident took place in January 2016. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

ah thanks for that bit of info. still, even pre-Vegas, i think it is reasonable to label pointing a rifle outside a hotel room window as "careless", which is the point i was responding to.

the commentor seemed to conflate the questions of "was it not completely legal for him to possess that item?" and "was it careless (legal or not) to show it off in that manner?"

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Post by wl »

dopamean wrote: post #155
wl wrote: post #92

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It doesn't take a weapon to kill someone. A rather infamous example in recent years is the death of Eric Gardner. Deadly force is deadly force—regardless of the form it comes in.

It takes a weapon to kill someone from 30+ feet away.

Well, if we're talking about this specific situation, the officer who did the shooting mistakenly thought he saw a weapon.

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Post by dingbat »

astronautjones wrote: post #756
always_good wrote: post #631

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He definitely reached for his shorts. It's a reflex that comes from a whole lifetime of being able to pull up your pants without risk of being shot. But that's all irrelevant. If the cops were only interested in securing him, they would've made him lie down like a starfish and have someone approach him instead of letting Jigsaw make him play Twister.

that video is horrific. the cop directing him is just dripping with sadism

i hope the undeniable pleasure that cop took in playing this lethal game of Simon Says was worth it.

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Post by kazagistar »

Xylakant wrote: post #319
valuearb wrote: post #308

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Any cop who shoots an innocent person during a no-knock forced entry should be automatically charged with murder.

In germany any police shooting that results in death of a human triggers an automatic investigation.

Sure, but in the US that investigation always leads to aquittal, so what even is the point?

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Post by alimw »

kps wrote: post #752
tomxor wrote: post #726

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> police defaults to avoid violence, and defaults to not even carry guns. I think this might be more of a difference between the legality of guns in the US and UK. Guns are so rare in the UK because they are illegal to own for almost everyone. I can imagine that makes a big difference for a police officer's expectation of the likely potential danger of public adversaries... yes there are still knives and acid and wha…

> I think this might be more of a difference between the legality of guns in the US and UK. I don't think so; UK gun restrictions are relatively recent (~20 years). I would attribute it to the Peelian Principles ¹, which post-date US disconnection from Britain. ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles

> UK gun restrictions are relatively recent (~20 years).

This statement is misleading. Yes there were gun laws made twenty years ago, as there were ten years before that, twenty years before that, thirty years before that ... right back to 1594. Source Wikipedia.

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Post by eurticket »

WhatIsDukkha wrote: post #100

What bothers me about these situations is just the entire idea of "SWAT" as practiced. You are a cop with 5+ other cops. You all pull your guns. Someone comes to the door, groggy in the middle of the night. They may or may not understand you are police. They may or may not believe you are the police. They are definitely confused/frightened/angry by your presence. We now begin the dice rolling process. Since every pol…

A pizza place has enough foresight to call the house that 'ordered 50 pizzas' before actually delivering 50 pizzas.

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Post by kazagistar »

hackerbob wrote: post #362
anigbrowl wrote: post #298

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Yes you are blaming the victim. People should not be required to perform jumping jacks just because someone in uniform tells them to. That's not cooperation, it's coercion.

It's not right, but we have a broken system that favors them over us. And I don't think it will be fix soon. Another problem we have is people getting falsely accused and sent to jail when they make mistakes in interrogations. It's why you always if you can afford one, get a lawyer for guidance.

> It's why you always if you can afford one, get a lawyer for guidance.

And somehow people talk about class warfare as if it was the lower classes starting the violence.

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