Live data from Hacker News

Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

projekte.sueddeutsche.de

761–770 of 817 posts

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#761
post #724

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if we frame it as a financial problem, not a well-being problem. Argument: it is in everyone's best interest if fewer people smoke. Smoking overwhelmingly affects poorer citizens who are already more reliant on social services. And since effects are tied to age, older smokers will more heavily put a burden on both the healthcare system as well as the entire insurance market (including Medicare/ Medicaid). Ergo i…

Give people social services, and now you own them and have the right to control their life.

Ah so that's why in the US you get health insurance from your employer!

/s

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#762

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your ultra simplistic idea has been tried before to some extent. It doesn't work. VAT is a trivial tax to avoid since it involves the business letting the tax department know how much tax they collected. So what happens is that they under report either (a) by flat out lying or (b) doing more business in cash or through a barter system. Also it is incredibly regressive rewarding the rich (who are generally hoarding mo…

Many countries have multiple VAT rates for different goods. Staple food and other basic goods, which constitute a larger part of a poor person's spending, are in lower rates.

And the rates used to be - by today's numbers - ridiculously low, but over time it became a nice and succulent teat to milk.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#764
post #734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do we properly incentivize progress and innovation? There is no progress or innovation without qualifiers. > safest, most prosperous And most depressed, most suicidal, most alienated, most amok running, most hysterical, most sophistry laden, most marketing raped, most mass produced, most polluted times ever. Millionaires today are poorer than paupers, artists today are more cloned and out of touch with themselv…

>If it's the safest and best in your opinion, While being a poor translation of what I wrote, based on facts you are completely incorrect. Just tell me what you are for. I am using statistics. Do I need to cite sources for you to believe that this is the safest and most prosperous time in the history of humanity?

In the history of that portion of humanity you "belong" to. There are several parts of the world where the last thing people feel before dying is the stink of their own diarrea; or the sound of rockets and drones about to tear them up; or the hopelessness of hunger...

Since you're mentioning statistics, I'll mention the "Polli di Trilussa", whereby if the average says everyone has a chicken to eat and you're not getting any, don't worry because there's someone gorging on two.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#765
post #705

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It forces them to unify everything except VAT (and land tax). Or, and I only realised this just now, do something complicated with imports, customs, and how to handle cross-border sales of digital goods (the EU does this, but it is a mess). If I had to guess, I’d suggest haven’t already done what you suggest for at least one of these reasons: 1) because it’s economic mutually assured destruction 2) because tax codes…

I don't know for sure, but is it appropriate to use gross GDP numbers instead of GDP/capita? When one is choosing which metrics to use, bias is introduced.

Depends what you’re comparing. Gross economic force of two entities? Raw GDP; Quality of life? GDP-PPP/capita is better.

Private citizens don’t generally get to threaten governments by moving abroad to withold their taxes — and even when they do (I kinda am!) it’s so completely irrelevant it isn’t worth the government’s time to bother to check if it’s actually happening or just a loudmouth blowing off steam by saying they will.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#766
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it hits the fan, and you want to come back to the US for safety, unmolested, you'll be able to. Should that be free?

It is in Canada, Europe...

>It is in Canada, Europe...

And equally controversial (I'm Canadian).

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#767

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But don't forget that those are third-rate (more like fourth-rate) countries, almost undeveloped brutes... (as an EU-citizen)

We don't even pay for our health bills in Germany when leaving a doctor's office ;-)

>"We don't even pay for our health bills in Germany when leaving a doctor's office ;-)"

It's impossible to get a family doctor in the majority of my country. But the system is free, so who cares, right?

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#768
post #734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do we properly incentivize progress and innovation? There is no progress or innovation without qualifiers. > safest, most prosperous And most depressed, most suicidal, most alienated, most amok running, most hysterical, most sophistry laden, most marketing raped, most mass produced, most polluted times ever. Millionaires today are poorer than paupers, artists today are more cloned and out of touch with themselv…

>If it's the safest and best in your opinion, While being a poor translation of what I wrote, based on facts you are completely incorrect. Just tell me what you are for. I am using statistics. Do I need to cite sources for you to believe that this is the safest and most prosperous time in the history of humanity?

Safety of what? Of pure physical life? Wouldn't prospering life imply some kind of vitality?

Then how come we all just sit there and "hope" something will be done about climate change or nuclear proliferation? How come rising drug deaths? How come the need for a dedicated WP page about the suicide problem in Japan? How come the best we can hope for is for some to condemn war criminals - instead of their brothers and fathers and children disowning them as they rot in jail? How come Trump is president and Snowden can't go home? Prosperity? We cannot even afford same rights and laws applying to all period. We shine the boots of crazy sadists who get nothing out of it but a prolonging of their suffering and the damage they cause, and we just bite our lips and give a sympathetic shrug to those who should be in their place, or at least not get trampled in the dirt.

Not that I'm saying there was ever justice for all, but we know a lot these days, we can do a lot these days, we have a lot these days; we could technically afford a striving towards instead of away from justice, just like we could afford everybody on the planet having food and shelter. Just like there is no need to plunder and mutilate language and thought, but we still do it. Workers used to be proud of reading and educating themselves, now even so called intellectuals can't face weighty authors. We truncate at best, and usually ignore outright. Not because that's milk and we now have meat, but because that's meat and we no longer have teeth.

I hardly see anyone who can afford to just take in their surroundings and the people they are faced with. We now actually call movies franchises ourselves, as if the soulless way was the more advanced and correct one. Something "making sense" always has to take the backseat to "making business sense", and boo on anyone daring to more than shrug their shoulder and bite their lip. I see a lot of people who individually have and are nothing, who always have to refer to someone or something other than themselves. My main criticism isn't historical, it's that I see people getting weaker and lamer by the year, more and more without thoughts that are truly their own, everything is being handed off.

I remember that recent discussion about tech "taking Saudi money", and many pointing out that it's just money. We cannot afford to distinct between 10$ taken from the purse of an elderly woman, and 10$ earned by fixing a chair. That's the biggest destruction of information I can think of. Oh, and we no longer can afford to print things on paper, and what we print on paper today often doesn't last as long as older books, kind of like houses. Please download the manual from a website that will be gone in N time units. Please upload your "culture" to YouTube, and put all your means of contact into the hands of Gmail and Facebook, put your free time into the black holes of EA and Disney and stream your reactions [sic, it should be called facial expression plus mouth noises] on Twitch. Those who do can't afford to talk in the first person singular just because we can't afford anything too grounded, since that would attract other grounded things and before you know it someone is turning on the light in the insane asylum torture chamber, and we can't have that.

You cannot afford owning anything, and oh, we updated the terms of our license, you'll have to agree again to continue using our "services". We serve you. Just like in "the industry", we're being industrious.

We no longer can afford to be alone with our thoughts and creations, and judge their value freely. Yet if that goes for everybody else, with what authority do we outsource judgement? And if it doesn't, with what authority do we let our own ability to judge to rot?

> I am using statistics. Do I need to cite sources for you to believe that this is the safest and most prosperous time in the history of humanity?

No, you need to put forward your own definitions, and you haven't even attempted to make the argument why only countable things should count. That in itself is the poverty of thought I am also referring to. You might say you're making part of my point for me.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#769
post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tee hee, do iPhones teleport all the way from China into your hand then?

They fly here. On privately built and owned planes. They are then moved a short distance by trucks that pay for their own road costs via fuel taxes and tolls. Finally, I drive to the shop, paying my own taxes along the way to pick one up. At no point is corporation tax paying any part in the transport of goods like iPhones.

They are shipped here over sea lanes made safe by the trillions the US and other countries pay to make them safe; to fly in airspace made safe and regulated by those same countries; to be shipped to individual stores over roads built and maintained by taxpayer dollars that allow such wide open shipping lanes; allowed to move from truck to store and stay in said store before the point of sale to me and other buyers safely by a police force also paid for by taxpayers.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#770

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You know, to some of us, that libertarian utopia sounds like a fucking nightmare. Correct, nobody is obliged to help you. What a sense of entitlement! So your only option is go ahead ask your government to arm twist rich people into funding your healthcare etc. ( and the rich includes the ones that have both legitimately and illegitimately obtained wealth).

> Correct, nobody is obliged to help you. What a sense of entitlement! Actually, they are. It's an innate instinctual behaviour inherent in all healthy human beings and we are social creatures that have succeeded through co-operation. If you have never felt the urge to help someone, prevent abuses and exploitation you might actually be a sociopath. In the wild, members of social species that don't conform to this bec…

>Actually, they are. >It's an innate instinctual behaviour inherent in all healthy human beings and we are social creatures that have succeeded through co-operation. If you have never felt the urge to help someone, prevent abuses and exploitation you might actually be a sociopath.

Agreed it's all innate as you said. But think of it for a moment. If a poor man forces me to part with my money, I sure won't be happy. I would tell him to fk off. But if I voluntarily donate, that is another story. No one should be allowed to calibrate my urge of having to have to help someone though force(taxes), it's my decision entirely.

>People like you try to wax philosophical about self-reliance and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps,

You are putting words in my mouth. Stop that.

Post reply on HN