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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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masondixon wrote: post #682
cyphax wrote: post #650

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I don't understand why you've started throwing in words like "vitriol". See, I'm not an American, nor do I live there. I don't really watch American news, and what I say about Trump is based on his own words. If this were about terrorism and not religion, he wouldn't want to close the border for muslims but for terrorists, I would presume? Replacing Scalia with a less conservative judge would be a win for democrats b…

> If this were about terrorism and not religion, he wouldn't want to close the border for muslims but for terrorists, I would presume? Something like 98% of suicide bombings were by muslims this year. And he said that it should be closed until we can vet them properly. Its a bad idea. And he refined it to muslims from countries with lots of terrorism. I mean...if you were part of stoning a women to death in Saudi Ara…

> Something like 98% of suicide bombings were by muslims this year.

There have been 0 suicide bombings in the US this year. The last suicide bombing in the US was in 2005 (11 years ago), the perpetrator was not a muslim and he was the only person killed. He also had no terroristic background.

> If we are tougher at the border, then the ones who are here will live happier lives because people will stop suspecting them of being terrorists.

You should have never started suspecting them of being terrorists. Or do you suspect all young white men of being school shooters? That would be equally wrong.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by fastball »

rajathagasthya wrote: post #651
fastball wrote: post #588

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Yeah, he went to Stanford for undergrad and law school - he's obviously a dunce.

What's with mentioning that he went to Stanford law school? This is the second such comment (the other commenter deleted it for some reason). Is someone incapable of having illogical thoughts because they went to "Stanford law school"? He says this in the video: > Whenever you hear someone use the word science it's like a tell that they're bluffing Try to make sense of it.

You said "I wouldn't regard him as intelligent by any means" (emphasis mine). If you don't want people to question your statements, try not to make them so sweeping.

Someone that graduated from Stanford twice is definitely intelligent by some means.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by tptacek »

hueving wrote: post #502
tptacek wrote: post #322

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There are generations of families --- literally millions of people --- that are linked together through people who are in the US "illegally". People were brought here as children and have known no other life. People who were born in this country and are unassailably citizens, deserving of all the protections previous generations of Americans died on beaches to defend for them, whose parents were brought here illegall…

Why are you scare quoting "illegally"? They are here in violation of the law. If you don't believe in controlled immigration, just state that up front rather than trying to hide behind an appeal to emotion via stories of tearing families apart. Your argument seems to be either that long time violators of a law should gain immunity to the law; or that we should grant citizenship to anyone who enters the country. Which…

I just described people who are not here in violation of the law and yet will be gravely harmed by Trump's immigration policies.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by zymhan »

mrslave wrote: post #596

I come to HN because of the high level of intelligent conversation. This article, and ever more sadly so the comments herein, are a huge disappointment. Trump is the non-establishment candidate the left asks for from Republicans every presidential election. Hillary is, at the very least, the establishment candidate the left profess to despise. The propaganda is strong in this one. Grow up everybody.

I don't think the left ever widely professed a desire for a non-establishment candidate from the right.

They were much more worried about how the Republican party has veered right over the years. This has led them to adopt extremist views such as branding entire ethnic groups as dangerous, and rolling out laws that inhibit the ability of minorities to vote.

These are just some of the worries that the left in America has with the Republican party.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/02/this-...

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2012/04/10/150349...

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by dominotw »

meritt wrote: post #21

This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…

> I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion.

why is that?

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Post by carapace »

tomp wrote: post #610
t1m wrote: post #348

Peter Thiel's "Mein Kampf" excludes women and minorities, who he feels have "damaged" democracy: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

You're just posting bullshit lies about Thiel everywhere you can. He said it pretty explicitly: > It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will be taken away or that this would solve the political problems that vex us. While I don’t think any class of people should be disenfranchised, I have little hope that voting will make things better. He also points out that the "most intense reaction" was to the factual…

"Most importantly, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible."

He prefers "freedom" over democracy.

He wants to disenfranchise anyone who votes against his ideas of freedom. This is not good, eh?

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Post by peterclary »

masondixon wrote: post #746
peterclary wrote: post #707

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I think the Dems are a long, long way away from anything which vaguely passes for communisim. They're almost as capitalist as the Republicans, but - I think - more protections for equality. The problem is that Capitalism doesn't care about people. It is a system, and the worth of commodities and even people is determined by the market. People lose their jobs because either automation can replace them, or the job can…

> I think the Dems are a long, long way away from anything which vaguely passes for communisim. Yes Dems are not communism at all. I am talking about Progressives and Bernie ppl. The next primaries will see if this faction takes over. > What's your proposal for people who can't get jobs because there aren't enough of them? I'm not sure, but I like the idea of basic income. The side effects have to be addressed though…

You think that basic income is a good idea but you think that Bernie Sanders is communism? What exactly don't you like about Sanders? I'm genuinely curious because my impression was that Sanders would have done better against Trump, at least in the Midwest where Trump did very strongly.

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Post by masondixon »

Fraterkes wrote: post #620
masondixon wrote: post #614

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> Have you ever had explained the liberal rationale to you and did you understand it? My Medium daily update newsletter is full of feminist, progressive, black lives matter articles. I read all of them. I read all the comments on Reddit, and on HN. Everything is labelled as racism and misogynistic and full of vitriol. There is no priority on sound and valid argument. Its all about feelings. Maybe I live in a filter b…

I'm probably more on the "SJW" side of things than a lot of people, what questions do you have?

Do you think the response by Joyent was appropriate: http://www.dailydot.com/news/github-gendered-pronoun-debate/

Do you think this was appropriate and fair to the accused: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattress_Performance_(Carry_Th...

Do you think the BLM riots were justified over this: http://nyti.ms/2ctkwYZ

Do you think police shoot more black people than white people?

Do you think SJWs consider the potential side effects of their approach?

E.g:

- Establishing diversity quotas causing resentment amongst others that "they were only hired because of diversity" even if they made it there on their own without a quota or special treatment?

- Making women, and minorities feel like the system is always against them and they will not succeed so they should not try.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by domfletcher »

masondixon wrote: post #736
domfletcher wrote: post #625

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I think you're right about the need for debate around how identity politics can be better expressed and that is a debate that seems to have been slightly suppressed on the left. I would say two things about why I don't think this is a good reason to support Trump: 1. The situation you describe is fundamentally about freedom of speech vs the right not be be offended. Trump is not an advocate of freedom of speech and d…

> As has been described elsewhere in this thread the damage he will do (if he enacts even half of his platform) to immigrant and womens rights, America's standing in the world and free trade will outweigh a hundredfold any small gains you get from a backlash against political correctness. But in four years will you admit you're wrong if it doesn't turn out to be the case? No. It will go on and on and on. I feel I res…

I disagree that it's fear mongering and I don't think it's helpful to reasonable debate to call it that. I'm trying to understand what Trump wants to do by looking at what he has said.

On immigrant rights, maybe you're right, maybe all Trump wants to do is secure the borders but he certainly hasn't done much to discourage the nasty parts of his base form thinking otherwise.

On abortion rights you're taking a massive gamble with a hard won and important right. If you're comfortable doing that in the name of marginal free speak then that's for you to decide. I'm not.

The perception of Obama abroad is pretty good still. I live in the UK so I can tell you that he's perceived as one of the few grown ups on the world political stage.

They both may be opposing TPP but only Trump was talking about putting a large tariff on Chinese steel. Irrespective of the issues with global trade, trade wars are definitely bad for everyone involved.

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Post by carapace »

defgeneric wrote: post #519
t1m wrote: post #348

Peter Thiel's "Mein Kampf" excludes women and minorities, who he feels have "damaged" democracy: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

As a Marxist, I actually agree with his point here. Of course he was being provocative but I don't think malicious, not by any means. He did not mean women should not have been given the vote. And "welfare beneficiaries" actually doesn't refer to minorities there (although they'd be included among the beneficiaries of the New Deal). What he said and meant, translated into Leftist language, is that it was clear by the…

But even if you accept that "democracy and capitalism had become contradictory, incompatible" Theil favors the latter over the former. Bad feels ensue.
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