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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dang »

fapjacks wrote: post #751
dang wrote: post #733

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> Everybody knows Hispanics are too lazy to achieve anything great. We've banned this account for obvious reasons. There are strong feelings all around, so we try to assume good faith, but no one gets to use HN as a dumping ground for the ugly bits of their id. All: if there are more comments like this and we've missed them, please let us know at hn@ycombinator.com. We can't come close to reading all the comments.

Did you read my own response to this? The feelings should be strong about this! This is exactly what is happening right now inside Github. It is inexcusable.

Assuming that everything you said is true doesn't change the outcome here. You can't post outright slurs to HN, whether others are doing inexcusable things or not. There's no substantive view that demands being expressed that way.

If you don't want your account to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. We're happy to unban accounts when people give us reason to believe that they'll follow the rules in the future.

(Edit: they did, so we unbanned the account.)

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by generic_user »

hox wrote: post #744
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

This is just misguided, plain and simple. I am white, male, heterosexual, and from a middle class family, and I absolutely know that my background gives me privilege. It doesn't matter if I earned it or not; I had and still have an advantage over other classes of people, and that is where the hostility is directed. Instead of taking it personally, use this advantage to eliminate as much privilege as possible. Don't s…

Yes, as a life long White Man who likes football and hot dogs, and it somewhat fat I agree with you 100%.

Radical anti Male Feminism and Euro phobic racism are wonderful things for everyone. And there good for the economy. Just like you, I will continue to watch the glorious Television programming.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by humanrebar »

argonaut wrote: post #640
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

I don't know why you are so frustrated. It seems misplaced. The system is totally stacked in your favor (and my favor).

> The system is totally stacked in your favor

Is it? What about white men who grew up as orphans? Or with parents that had severe mental illness? What about white men with emotional disorders?

What about white male cancer survivors? Or white male single parents?

What about white men who grew up as historically disadvantaged minorities in their home countries?

Why is it OK to assume the system is stacked in someone's favor? How is that not prejudice?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by leohutson »

mikeash wrote: post #702
leohutson wrote: post #654

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I would care if my coworkers were bigots, and I would especially care if they were prejudiced against me, how can you effectively work with someone who doesn't respect you? Pretending bigotry doesn't exist is the same thing as pretending that race/sex aren't visible. You will also have to apply the same affirmative action when promoting people, as a couple of years work experience doesn't erase the generations of pri…

If you merely know about the race/sex/whatever of your candidates then you're already giving some weight to those attributes whether you want to or not. If we had some way of scoring candidates numerically, then yes, you'd just pick the biggest number. But I've never heard of a hiring system that worked like that. There's always some subjectivity. You can look at a bunch of resumes and rank them, but a good chunk of…

So you'll just take a guess at your biases and then try to counteract them arbitrarily?

I'd like to know how you even begin to judge what ethnicity someone is just by looking at them. Sounds like an extremely fraught game to play.

Part of the answer is surely to try your utmost to take all the subjectivity out of the process. I've mentioned it here previously, and people said that they enjoy getting to make subjective value judgments of candidates. I think that is a poor attitude.

This is the kind of process I was thinking:

One person strips CV's of irrelevant info (names, ages, schools, etc). They hand that to another person who decides who to interview. When the candidate is interviewed, pre-determined questions get asked, and then notes are taken of their answers and any relevant info, and that gets handed over to the person who makes the ultimate hiring decision.

Even that process probably leaks a bit, but it's better than simply trying to guess.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by hox »

generic_user wrote: post #762
hox wrote: post #744

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just misguided, plain and simple. I am white, male, heterosexual, and from a middle class family, and I absolutely know that my background gives me privilege. It doesn't matter if I earned it or not; I had and still have an advantage over other classes of people, and that is where the hostility is directed. Instead of taking it personally, use this advantage to eliminate as much privilege as possible. Don't s…

Yes, as a life long White Man who likes football and hot dogs, and it somewhat fat I agree with you 100%. Radical anti Male Feminism and Euro phobic racism are wonderful things for everyone. And there good for the economy. Just like you, I will continue to watch the glorious Television programming.

Do you seriously think most of this is based in straight-up hatred of white males? Every time I read something like was in the article, I view it as representative of what the author feels every day. God forbid we feel that way for 5 seconds before we throw it away.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by htns »

archagon wrote: post #612
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

So, what measures are they taking to match Berkeley undergraduate sex ratio (52.1% female 47.9% male [1]) with the sex ratio of the entire US in the same age range (51% male 49% female [2]). A woman is roughly 1.13 (13%) times more likely to be an undergraduate at Berkeley than a man. Or is this a topic best avoided?

[1] http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

[2] http://www.census.gov/population/age/data/files/2012/2012gen... @ 15-19yo

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by sdesol »

djKianoosh wrote: post #290
coderjames wrote: post #263

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Now you can self-host BitBucket also with BitBucket Server[1]. We're starting a migration to it at my work right now. [1] https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download

bitbucket server (used to be called stash) has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO

Just an FYI. I've been contacted by Atlassian to make my search technology available for Bitbucket's ecosystem. Right now it's being developed as a chrome extension, and you can learn more about it here:

http://gitsense.bitbucket.org/

If things go smoothly, Bitbucket users will be able to make search, a first class citizen.

Edit:

I should have mentioned it, but the current version of GitSense in the Chrome store doesn't support Bitbucket. I'm still testing it out but it should be updated within the next couple of days.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by farkas »

djKianoosh wrote: post #642
farkas wrote: post #508

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> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

I'm at US Customs so we have pretty much the entire atlassian suite self hosted: stash, jira, fisheye, confluence and crucible, some plugins... some of the parent/sibling comments have spelled out the poor integration between stash and the rest of the suite. Here's some additional things off the top of my head... - search! maybe our fisheye isnt indexing all our repos properly (we just recently migrated 10+ years of…

Thanks for taking the time to write feedback. I really appreciate it.

Search is known and being worked on. FishEye should work in the interim until we do Stash native search - if not - please contact our support team.

Project areas - will get the team to dig into this more, and understand the real underlying use-case you need this. Is it search? Permissions? Discovery?

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