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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by GolfPopper »

luxuryballs wrote: post #711
razighter777 wrote: post #135

I hope this doesn't become the new norm where government becomes the bottleneck for innovation in the AI space. It's worrying that with no formal and transparent policy framework that the government will be picking winners and losers and stifling innovation. There's been no public policy, executive order, legislation, or otherwise on this, I wonder if anyone has filed FOIA requests for these decisions or the conversa…

I am still waiting for a government to try “nationalizing” AI by saying anything produced by AI belongs to “everyone” and thus hugely taxing the profits and proceeds from the product, as soon as Bernie Sanders thinks of it you can bet we’ll hear all about it.

Apparently your hearing isn't that good, since you haven't heard of the American AI Sovereign Wealth Fund Act.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-sanders-i...

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RIMR wrote: post #448
razighter777 wrote: post #135

I hope this doesn't become the new norm where government becomes the bottleneck for innovation in the AI space. It's worrying that with no formal and transparent policy framework that the government will be picking winners and losers and stifling innovation. There's been no public policy, executive order, legislation, or otherwise on this, I wonder if anyone has filed FOIA requests for these decisions or the conversa…

I'm honestly surprised there isn't more political outcry. The administration has a party affiliation that, typically, insists on free market principles and is against government overreach and regulation. You would think that this government, attempting to puppeteer the most rapidly growing industry in the world, would have more people outraged. Where are all of the people crying "Communist"? This is one of those mome…

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Post by credit_guy »

Here's an unpopular opinion: this might be the only way to deploy advanced models. A lot of people compare advanced AI with nuclear weapons. Creating white lists of users that are allowed to use advanced AI feels wrong. It feels against everything that the Constitution stands for. That men are created equal and they are free to pursue their happiness. Now they are free to pursue that happiness only if the US Government signs off on that. It hurts to only think of that. But I'm afraid there's no other way. These models, in the wrong hands, can result in unfathomable devastation.

How do I know? Dario Amodei said that when he explained why Anthropic has to limit the US Government's usage of its models [1]:

  > Some uses are also simply outside the bounds of what today’s technology can safely and reliably do. Two such use cases [...]: Mass domestic surveillance. Fully autonomous weapons.
If the US Government can't be trusted with such uses, then how can you trust millions or billions of users with arbitrary usage?

[1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

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Post by ygg12 »

akmarinov wrote: post #93

Sooo both OpenAI and Anthropic going bankrupt soon? If they can’t freely sell access to their models and Chinese models catch up to Opus 4.8/GPT 5.5 in 6-8 months - then why pay OAI/Anthropic at all?

The end game is tokens will be a commodity - doesn’t matter which provider you use.

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Post by m11a »

Sol- wrote: post #439
tokioyoyo wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically that gives edge to all other companied around the world though, no?

I don't think a critical mass of them will oppose the US. The most likely equilibrium is Chinese models being shut out of any US-aligned markets (i.e. Europe at the very least, also East Asia, etc.). Probably India, Russia, Brazil etc. will resist such pressure, but they are protectionist and resilient to trade wars anyway, at the expense of their own welfare of course.

I mean, after the US just signed an export control ordering Fable access blocked to non-US users (including European nationals), I doubt European and "US-aligned markets" are eager to ban Chinese models against their own interests.

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Post by epsteingpt »

junto wrote: post #691
rgbrenner wrote: post #283

Im not worried about this at all. The OpenAI, Anthropic and the US government can play this game all they want... They're just accelerating the development of open source models; and helping destroy the lead the US has built in AI, and their profit margins along with it. This is like the battle between PostgreSQL and Oracle all over. Move up market, isolate yourself to enterprises, and watch while everyone else build…

Encryption is a better example. The USG tried exactly the same tactic in the 90’s. The NSA tried to shove the Clipper chip down everyone’s throats. The USG put export controls on encryption and people went as far as to tattoo the algorithms on their body. But like you said, they will try to control it and fail. Like they always do.

I can't wait for the first person to tattoo model weights on their body!

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Post by bitexploder »

credit_guy wrote: post #753

Here's an unpopular opinion: this might be the only way to deploy advanced models. A lot of people compare advanced AI with nuclear weapons. Creating white lists of users that are allowed to use advanced AI feels wrong. It feels against everything that the Constitution stands for. That men are created equal and they are free to pursue their happiness. Now they are free to pursue that happiness only if the US Governme…

They can only slow down open models and open weight models from getting as good as Mythos/Fable and GPT 5.6. Then what?

They will all get distilled, down trained, and the smaller models will get better too.

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Post by thayne »

mediaman wrote: post #628
foota wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? This is the opposite of regulatory capture. Neither anthropic nor openai are getting to choose what happens with their models.

Regulatory capture doesn't necessarily mean the regulated get to decide what the regulators do in precise steps. It can simply mean they support and exist within a regulatory regime that greatly benefits the regulated. In fact, you generally don't want them directly telling the regulators what to do. Instead, the regulators make complex, costly rules that only large establishment players can follow. The regulators lo…

And the regulated may even publicly complain about the regulations, to increase the illusion that it isn't regulatory capture.

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Post by thayne »

nonethewiser wrote: post #742
jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

>This is regulatory capture in action. Isnt this all export control based? If so its not regulatory capture for a few reasons. If not disregard this. 1) new entrants wont get export controlled because they arent leading edge 2) a new company could just implement KYC. It could even be a competitive advantage (Anthropic wont or cant)

> Only companies approved by the government will get access. There is no process for individual users to get access to the new model.

That sounds like more than just export control.

This means that big company A that the president has a business interest in could get access to the most powerful AIs, while a startup competing with it doesn't.

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