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VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by echoangle »

Aperocky wrote: post #428
alemanek wrote: post #409

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Changing the default behavior for all of your users with no notification is pretty unforgivable. Even if this feature worked correctly, it obviously doesn’t, this should at minimum be a prompt after upgrade to let the user confirm that this is what they want. But honestly should be opt in for those that want it. To have it silently just start adding marketing copy to git commit messages is pretty bad. To have that ad…

Well, the good news is commit messages are some of the most visible thing, and there are no silent modifications that are really possible. The bad news is - where else have this happened in VS Code? - A happy user of (n)vim

> Well, the good news is commit messages are some of the most visible thing, and there are no silent modifications that are really possible.

The problem is that it's only visible after committing, it doesn't seem to show in the integrated git view when you prepare the commit.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by [deleted] »

dmitriv wrote: post #273
650 wrote: post #138

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A Principal Software Engineer at Microslop merged this - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmitriy-vasyura-9191611/ This is the author of the MR - https://github.com/cwebster-99 - A Product Manager at Microslop I've routinely spoken on the uselessness, and oftentimes detriment of product managers in tech. The dearth of leadership driving for vanity metrics like PMs writing code doesn't help either.

I'm here in case you have something to say to me directly.

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Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by wiseowise »

hansmayer wrote: post #670
storus wrote: post #133

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It's a complete takeover of technically incompetent management that feels like it can finally execute their ideas to the fullest instead of relying on those pesky swengs with their obstructions, complaints and problems. We'll soon get the management utopia everywhere.

It makes perfect sense / there was that talk by the ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt saying something along the lines "imagine you could develop the software, but without that arrogant programmer". They just hate people, that's all.

The sentiment is mutual.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by wiseowise »

Tade0 wrote: post #673
storus wrote: post #133

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It's a complete takeover of technically incompetent management that feels like it can finally execute their ideas to the fullest instead of relying on those pesky swengs with their obstructions, complaints and problems. We'll soon get the management utopia everywhere.

Some time ago my then project owner remarked that possibly in the future apps won't require an UI and people will just interrogate the LLM directly. I read that as a sign to make a coordinated exit. Truth be told our project was one of many "catalogue of stuff" kind of apps which at this and projected scale could have well been a spreadsheet in the cloud with search enhanced by LLM.

> Some time ago my then project owner remarked that possibly in the future apps won't require an UI and people will just interrogate the LLM directly.

And those LLMs will run on unicorn farts and world hunger will be solved too. Do people lack basic logic or is it just when it comes to LLMs?

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by wiseowise »

lkjdsklf wrote: post #477
matheusmoreira wrote: post #448

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Hard to blame the engineer when the engineer gets fired for not implementing management's whims. As much as I'd like to hold people accountable and say they should just accept getting fired instead of compromising the ideals, the truth is I've got a family now and if they paid me enough I'd do the same.

The torment nexus was built by engineers. Not management. It couldn't exist without engineers.

Nuclear bomb was built by scientists and they weren't the one that fired it, what's your point?

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by cindyllm »

hansmayer wrote: post #670
storus wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a complete takeover of technically incompetent management that feels like it can finally execute their ideas to the fullest instead of relying on those pesky swengs with their obstructions, complaints and problems. We'll soon get the management utopia everywhere.

It makes perfect sense / there was that talk by the ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt saying something along the lines "imagine you could develop the software, but without that arrogant programmer". They just hate people, that's all.

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Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by wiseowise »

deaux wrote: post #504
matheusmoreira wrote: post #483

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And engineers couldn't get rich themselves without the billionaires shelling out for them to build their torment nexuses. I want to get rich too. I want to live a good life, and provide for my family. I don't want to just survive. So I can't say I don't empathize.

That's fine, just know that you permanently forfeit any right to complain about others doing things for personal gain that indirectly harm yourself. > I want to live a good life, and provide for my family. This is a lie you're telling yourself, you can do both just fine without building the torment nexus. Billions of people do so indeed. > I want to get rich too. You should've stopped here, but then it became too muc…

> Billions of people do so indeed.

Are they? I seriously doubt billions of people earn 200k+ salaries.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by saghm »

_waqas_ali_ wrote: post #706
saghm wrote: post #657

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> Someone made a mistake, owned up to it and fixed it. No one is entitled to more than that for a free software. Funny how these "mistakes" only seem to happen in ways that align with the agenda of the supposedly non-evil corporation.

Not sure about the other “mistakes” but this one is way too stupid to be evil :) Hanlon’s razor applies pretty well here. Pretty sure no one thought “let’s add a lie to every commit and hopefully no one minds. Free Marketing yay!” at Microsoft.

Even if I accepted the premise that this is too stupid to be evil, that doesn't change the fact that this would be extremely easy to test for. The fact that they considered it important enough to get this feature implemented without proper testing says plenty about their incentives.

They might not have intentionally done this (although it's honestly not clear), but they definitely didn't care enough to prevent it because it wouldn't have been hard at all. That's my point here; which bugs slip through and which don't implicitly conveys what their priorities are. I don't think it's particularly hard to infer what story this bug tells.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by wiseowise »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #142
rsynnott wrote: post #26

One fascinating thing about the whole AI phenomenon is how incredibly hostile it is to _standards_. Whether something works properly, or is ethical, or is true, no longer matters at all; all that matters is "pls use our AI". Microsoft spent literal decades rehabilitating their reputation. And then set fire to the whole thing in an offering to their robot gods. And it's not just them. There was a time that Google care…

> Microsoft spent literal decades rehabilitating their reputation. And then set fire to the whole thing in an offering to their robot gods. Probably they thought the new generations forgot about how awful they were in the not so distant past. I think they set it all on fire because greed got the better of them again.

> Probably they thought the new generations forgot about how awful they were in the not so distant past.

And they're right.

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