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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by ahhhhnoooo » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:29 PM UTC

herewulf wrote: post #670

Terr_ wrote: post #646

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P.S.: Supposing you went beyond rude, like violating a noise-ordinance with a megaphone, or "littering" with pamphlets, or trespassing to chain yourself to a tree... The First Amendment bars authorities from going: "Ah hah! Now I can sneak in some punches for that shit you said earlier!" No, that's simply not allowed to be part of it. There is no crime where "saying stuff that pissed the policeman off" is an enhancin…

While the rest of your comment is sound, the police do not make "big bucks" by any stretch of the imagination and there's a serious citation needed for the job being less dangerous than the ones you listed. I am pretty sure I have never read multiple news articles like "landscaper shot while sitting in vehicle filling paperwork" or "armed man commits suicide by bartender". I have numerous friends and acquaintances in…

Policing is not a particularly dangerous job, police are people with fragile egos.

Cops are violent towards their intimate partners at a rate many many many times typical. Something like 25-40% of cops are abusers.

Sources: Johnson, L.B. (1991). On the front lines: Police stress and family well-being. Hearing before the Select Committee on Children, Youth, and Families House of Representatives: 102 Congress First Session May 20 (p. 32-48). Washington DC: US Government Printing Office.

Neidig, P.H., Russell, H.E. & Seng, A.F. (1992). Interspousal aggression in law enforcement families: A preliminary investigation. Police Studies, Vol. 15 (1), p. 30-38.

Feltgen, J. (October, 1996). Domestic violence: When the abuser is a police officer. The Police Chief, p. 42-49.

Lott, L.D. (November, 1995). Deadly secrets: Violence in the police family. FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, p. 12-16.

Oehme, K., et al. (2011). Protecting Lives, Careers, and Public Confidence: Florida's efforts to prevent officer-involved domestic violence. Family Court Review 84, 85.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:31 PM UTC

Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by ahhhhnoooo » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:38 PM UTC

xethos wrote: post #648

scarecrowbob wrote: post #599

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As a person who spent a couple of hours watching our local ICE facility today, I'd say the differences are purely aesthetic. I've gotten to where I don't really care -what- the law is and believe that from an ethical standpoint if a person can have a house and a job and not cause trouble I don't care if they are from Honduras or Houston- any position other than that is just racism with extra steps. And I am aware tha…

> I'd say the differences are purely aesthetic I would have a hard time arguing that after seeing Alex Pretti's public execution. I also think we can at least partially agree on who should be targeted (emphasis my own): > Carefully calibrated revisions to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) immigration enforcement priorities and practices [...] *[made] noncitizens with criminal records the top enforcement target* […

You haven't been paying attention. And that's ok. Obama was destroying families, and killing peoples, he just did it out of sight with a charming smile.

You think people deported by him didn't die as a result? You think his massive expansion of drone violence didn't kill people living lives as rich and complex as Pretti's? You don't remember Obama deciding not to prosecute people for Abu Ghraib?

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Post by ahhhhnoooo » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:40 PM UTC

lmm wrote: post #600

keithnz wrote: post #574

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weird, don't you think that stance is just fear of free speech? I see it as completely unreasonable. America (of the past now?) has a history of inviting all kinds of people to discuss politics, philosophy, religion from all over the world.... but now you are scared of what people have to say? Also if you don't recognize that it is political targeting (not of citizens, but anyone by any means the government has its d…

> weird, don't you think that stance is just fear of free speech? I see it as completely unreasonable. America (of the past now?) has a history of inviting all kinds of people to discuss politics, philosophy, religion from all over the world.... but now you are scared of what people have to say? I think active political campaigning is a bit different from discussing political philosophy, and it's a major mistake to t…

> I think we're all agreed that foreigners should not be standing for office or voting in elections

I don't think we're all in agreement. Do they live here? Work here? They should have a say in Joe here is governed while they do.

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Post by ahhhhnoooo » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:45 PM UTC

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #527

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> the biggest one 2020 had about 4 million more votes cast. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnou...

Weird, and why didn’t those people show up to vote for Kamala? How did Biden get more votes than Obama, but Trump won the popular vote four years later?

Kamala was vocal about refusing to defend Gazans. It swung the needle for many. It's not the only thing that swing the needle, but it was significant.

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Post by spockz » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:46 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #435

spockz wrote: post #350

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Protonmail iirc. You can even get documents and photos synced. Not sure how well it works for photos.

Protonmail is widely believed to be compromised and some evidence supporting this has come forth in two separate incidents in the last year. Protonmail also has gone on record stating that they will comply with legal orders from the Swiss government to spy on and turn over the private data of their users. https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest Swiss law has recently gotten significantly more aggressive in rec…

Compromised how and by whom? In the form of the answer to legally binding Swiss courts subpoenas, or in the sense some other agent(s) have access to their systems and can read the encrypted data?

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Post by red-iron-pine » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:49 PM UTC

mortarion wrote: post #718

logifail wrote: post #588

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> Yes, someone in customs at an airport can be treated as functionally “at the border” with reduced protections. But you are conflating seeking entry with being present inside the country. That’s the legal line, and the Supreme Court has stated it clearly. At least in terms of being "at the border", United States v. Martinez-Fuerte would appear to disagree. That legal line you mention is both figuratively and literal…

Most people in the USA live within 100 miles of the border. That 100 miles limit was chosen for a purpose, to weaken protections for most US citizens.

the 100 mile limit was chosen because its ~2 hour drive at 60mph, assuming some stop lights and on-ramps.

someone jumps the fence or is smuggled in via truck, etc., then CBP has maybe a couple hours to track them.

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Post by Gud » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:52 PM UTC

unselect5917 wrote: post #739

kmacdough wrote: post #732

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Criticizing the government is not hostility. Its wanting to move towards a better country. This is EXACTLY what the 1st amendment is intended to protect. Whether the legal system decides it applies here is one question, but there are heaps of documents and communications between founding fathers and other figures making this clear. Many of those folks were immigrants themselves. So the idea that it wouldn't apply to…

We're not talking about an American criticizing his country though. We're talking about a foreigner.

Genuinely, why would an outsiders perspective be less worthwhile to listen to?

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Post by Ray20 » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 2:55 PM UTC

ap99 wrote: post #668

keithnz wrote: post #453

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the problem is, technically yes, they have a right, but their visa can be arbitrarily cancelled for very unspecified reasons, like the government not liking what you are doing and calling a potential security risk. This targeting of people, because they can, amazes me that Americans are so accepting of it. To me this says they'd do this to their citizens if they could. You already have the attack on birth right citiz…

I'm amazed that people see America as different from any other country in terms of who should be allowed in and what constitutes bad behavior. Being in America is a privilege that can easily be taken away. Guests of America should walk a narrow path. Same as being in any other country.

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Post by AtlasBarfed » Thu, Apr 16, 2026, 3:01 PM UTC

michh wrote: post #679

peyton wrote: post #512

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Here’s a video of what this guy was involved in (to my best knowledge): https://statements.cornell.edu/2024/20241019-career-fair-dis... I’m a First Amendment absolutist and AFAIK foreign students can protest, but this video shows to me it probably crosses the line into something else. Exactly what, I have no opinion.

Okay, but is being present at a protest where others push through a barrier enough for the first amendment to no longer apply or do we know he was one of the people doing the barrier breaking? The original post implies he bailed out after only 5 minutes - quite possibly because he wasn't on board with the (relatively mild) escalation. At this point, we don't know. But if he did cross that line, he should be criminall…

Can we charge all Jan 6ers with the murder or manslaughter of the congressional security police officers?

There's the case of the getaway driver in a bank robbery that resulted in murder also getting murder, and that is basically what the two poster up is advocating for.