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Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

bigyabai wrote: post #735
rfrey wrote: post #253

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People loved the iPod. Users loved Dropbox. Nobody loves windows.

Coffee drinkers "loved" Starbucks. EV advocates "loved" Tesla. The perception of something being good is not an indicator of quality in a post-industrial society, it mostly just reflects marketing efforts and other forms of artificial tastemaking. Today, people don't love the iPod or Dropbox. Both products became completely commoditized once consumers realized that there is actually nothing special about using MP3 fi…

Thats a little revisionist isn’t it? iPods and all music players started dying in popularity after the iPhone.

Steve Jobs himself said “Dropbox is a feature not a product”. Dropbox is the same cost for 5TB of storage as GSuite + 5TB of storage or Office365 with 1TB each for 5 (6?) users.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by macNchz »

bombcar wrote: post #598
mulmen wrote: post #570

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At this point Apple isn't even Apple. Product ate the world. I don't remember the last time someone came to me with a customer problem to solve. It's all warring fiefdoms.

Perhaps AI is taking off because it is the only thing actually listening to customer problems.

Great point. Just last week I used AI to build a minimal replacement for a SaaS tool I’ve used in the past that has obnoxious feature gating/price tiers. My version isn’t nearly a complete replica, but it has the base functionality I want without having to feel like someone spent hundreds of hours perfecting price tiers with artificial limitations that annoy me just enough to upgrade.

Getting a tool that did exactly what I wanted with no fuss was delightful.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by solid_fuel »

benced wrote: post #464
deng wrote: post #225

If you want to know how serious to take this, just look at this gem: > Enhancing Search: [...] Clearer and more trustworthy results, with results from content on your device easy to understand and clearly distinct from web results So yeah, you still get web results in your search bar, a feature absolutely zero people want and which is just there to fake Bing success, just with a little divider now next to the applica…

I think most computer users dislike this but I see a ton of normal folks do this, they don't have the same conceptual boundaries folks on this site do (myself included).

Yeah, but is that a good thing? I think the lack of those conceptual boundaries are exactly why computers are so difficult to learn for some people. Access to web services, and the services themselves, still aren’t reliable enough to support this idea of a completely transparent computer experience where you don’t need to know what machine a file is on.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by BlarfMcFlarf »

kstrauser wrote: post #393
nu11ptr wrote: post #238

> fewer automatic restarts No automatic restarts! I understand that in our security patching world that patching and restarting automatically is the default, fine, but there absolutely should be a dead simple way of disabling auto restarts in settings. I'm fine if it pesters me to restart or whatever, perhaps with growing alarm the longer I wait, but it should always be optional in the end. There are just no words fo…

I disagree, at least on end-user devices as opposed to servers. If you make it possible to defer updates indefinitely, users will. Guaranteed. Doesn't matter how urgent or critical the update is, how bad the bug or vulnerability it patches is, how disastrous the consequences may be: they'll never, ever voluntarily apply them. If you're running a server, and willing to accept the risk of deferral because 1) you're in…

If it was kernel level only, maybe. But why does windows seem like it needs to restart after every little update?

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by EvanAnderson »

userbinator wrote: post #599
lousken wrote: post #450

What about bringing back old notepad and improving admin apps? MMC snapins haven't been touched in years and still can't even sort those columns properly, search and filtering is terrible Control panel is still not migrated over to settings after 12 years nor you can open two settings apps. Error messages in modern apps are just the worst, how about printing valuable error messages than "something is wrong"? Fixing d…

Old notepad is still there, you just need to remove the new abomination. Control panel is still not migrated over to settings after 12 years nor you can open two settings apps. I wish they'd migrate back to the old Control Panel... Error messages in modern apps are just the worst ...as the new one is a "modern app" and about as horrible as they come.

For anybody who wants to get rid of the new abomination:

From an elevated Powershell prompt:

Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Where-Object { $_.PackageName -like 'Microsoft.WindowsNotepad*' } | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by coffe2mug »

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #639
aeternum wrote: post #527

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Much of big tech became Product leaders running amok. Somehow It shifted from users know best to "Product" knows best. I think this all stemmed everyone wanting to be Apple except no one actually achieved it and now we have 3 different versions of the audio control panel in Windows, the start button is somehow in the middle of the screen, and windows search no longer searches your PC. Deleting "Product" might save wi…

I've never been bothered by Windows's changes, and I mostly think they were reasonable. But for a number of reasons it's never going to be easy for them to gain total acceptance: 1) the massive backwards compatibility back to Windows 95 stuff, 2) the willingness to try new and/or silly things that Apple is too stuffy to try, and 3) the fact that there's only ever going to be one "flavor" of Windows; if we were stuck…

I would say the primary reason that windows still is acceptable is familiarity and games. Nothing else.

Non tech people don't care about control panel etc. they just go through the pain of entering the WiFi password. Done.

- gamers. Double click install - go on. I know very few gamers that have moved to Linux.

And corporate. Most normies that I know DON'T have own computers. Everything can be done via smartphone these days.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by hunterpayne »

ux266478 wrote: post #683
GTP wrote: post #516

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> Linux frequently demands that I spend hours chasing down issues This is one of the points where people have vastly different experiences. I'm one of those that has fewer issues with Linux, and I definitely don't spend hours fixing problems. And this despite the fact that I use Arch, which is supposed to be an unstable distro. Why is that different users report so different experiences I don't know. I think that thi…

No, it has to do with how your system is set up. Without fail, someone who has his opinion about Linux is using some ungodly bloated corpse of a distro because they genuinely do not know better. Hence why they blame their system's problems on the kernel, despite ostensibly never having any actual problems with the kernel itself. It's not like Linux is particularly perfect, but how many complaints about using it as th…

You forgot the part where they edited a bunch of config files (that they didn't understand) for no reason or are running some experimental UI extension that makes their mouse pointer have a trail of stars or something.
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