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Where things stand with the Department of War

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Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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None of the recently attacked countries posed an imminent threat to the US. In what kind of deranged world are we living that people are fighting against the notion that waging war on another country should be a costly decision !? My, the Overton window has indeed shifted far.

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Bombing schools will certainly teach them not to chant "Death to America"

Can't imagine why they would be anti-American

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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Ever since I was young I was fairly divided on the subject. I've dealt with some highschool students affected by the downed aircraft MH17 and that lead to lots of grief among students. It usually lead to strong anti-war sentiments but some also felt a need to "do" something with it. If no one works on defence systems then all the things we have could become jeopardized, perhaps not this week but in 5 years. Therefore…

> If no one works on defence systems then all the things we have could become jeopardized, perhaps not this week but in 5 years. Therefore I can reconcile the idea of working for defence related r&d. I am not saying this line of thinking is completely absurd. But I think every individual considering this should reflect a lot. (1) Is your country using its ""defense"" systems wisely? (2) Won't the technology be replic…

I think that there is a difference between wishful thinking about how things should be versus preparing based on how things are.

Also diplomacy doesn't have a great track record for the past 100 years.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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"But what is the option?" Don't see money as the only goal? Otherwise it ain't black and white. There are forms of advertisment that are not so bad and there is a need for kill devices since there are lots of other existing kill devices. But this ad technology and this actual war ministry who take pride in revoking all "woke shit" like "rules of engagement" - I would not work for. There is other work, even if it pays…

> Don't see money as the only goal? That’s easy to say when you have money, it kind of sounds like “let them eat cake”

Do you claim there are only unethical income choices? Or do you claim your expected standard of income comes only with unethical offers?

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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> If no one works on defense systems then all the things we have could become jeopardized The reality is that the US government has not historically been engaged in defense. They have been engaged in offense. If you live in the united states and work on "defense," you are working on offense. If even if you are designing something like missile interceptors, they have historically been used primarily to protect US asse…

Perhaps you'd like to know how well interceptor missiles fare today. They are rapidly being made obsolete. Offense is still the best defense.

That's exactly the argument made by Putin to invade Ukraine. Congratulations.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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> They have both an active nuclear program and a means to deliver a nuclear weapon. No, they do not

Iran launched a 1-ton payload (e.g. nuclear capable) rocket with a 2000 km range two days ago. That rocket can threaten US assets and allies even into Europe. And, of course, and small ship or container ship even could carry a nuclear weapon into an American port.

There is no proof Iran has nuclear weapons.

This has been covered extensively, and this kind of misinformation is exactly the same thing that drove the US and half of NATO into the Iraq war.

Absolutely unbelievable this is happening again!

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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The release date of the show 24 is fun.

My pet theory is that NYPD Blue and 24 paved the way in the American public mind for authoritarianism via the "good guys bending the rules and using violence because they know this guy did it" theme.

CSI and Law and Order as well contributed to the perception that the majority of police officers spend their time diligently and righteously investigating real crimes (usually resulting in finding the culprit) instead of spending their days watching traffic in pursuit of pretextual traffic stops, and solving less than 50% of violent crime cases.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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See in your case with the military you can directly say, hey my code will be used to bomb other people possibly. But in today's times it isn't (I am sure even then) so cut and dry. I worked in AdTech industry (like 60% of the bay area techies). So the ad tech I write gets shown to millions/billions. What about ads influencing elections and then politicians waging wars? Anti-vax ads which influence people and then kil…

> But what is the option? I feel each of us wants to draw a line based off of our morality but the circumstances don't allow us to stick to it (still gotta pay rent) I was with you up to this point, but when you say "life is to hard to stay moral" I am thinking about how buying the wrong shampoo contributes to micro plastic in the ocean, or how buying a fitting jeans that is not exploiting labor is an extremely time…

I think moral purity tests for work places is a delicate and tough question event for software development.

Which work places would you feel are acceptable?

What about a bank? They invest or loan money to weapons manufacturers.

What about a renewable energy company? What if that company accepted investment with funds from Saudi Arabia / UAE / Qatar?

Etc.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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China looks like the good guy now, but if Xi decided to “reassert control” over Taiwan, it would quickly become an international pariah and everyone would forget about Trump immediately, the country would immediately be isolated from everyone other than their closest (geographically speaking) allies. Is China ready to do that? Not today, maybe in a decade or two (when they’ve replaced the USA as the top economic/mili…

We'd just cut off all of our goods manufacturing and leave the shelves empty? I don't think it's likely.

> We'd just cut off all of our goods manufacturing and leave the shelves empty? I don't think it's likely.

All bets are off if China attacks Taiwan now, I think, it would be hard but there would be a response like that. In a decade or two, probably not, but more due to China's dominance in the world by that point rather than just their ability to make things clout.

Xi isn't dumb, he isn't going to stir the pot right now, he doesn't have to, China doesn't have much to gain from it. China has nothing but patience.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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> Don't see money as the only goal? That’s easy to say when you have money, it kind of sounds like “let them eat cake”

Do you claim there are only unethical income choices? Or do you claim your expected standard of income comes only with unethical offers?

I think that you can find something morally wrong with most companies or practices within these companies.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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Have you ever gone through a whole a week without eating anything? Have you seen your kids go through that? If don't, then I will have to say you got no idea about what you are talking about..

> Have you ever gone through a whole a week without eating anything? Have you seen your kids go through that Have you? And did you murder your neighbor to steal their food? Did you believe the best course of action was to fight your neighbors? Your ridiculous analogy doesn't even apply to the US, one of the wealthiest countries in the world. In your imagined scenario, are they the poor starving family who must kill a…

>Have you?

I haven't, and that is why I am not making higher-than-you, virtuous claims about how I would act in that situation. Maybe you should do the same.

>Your ridiculous analogy doesn't even apply to the US, one of the wealthiest countries in the world

And where did that wealth come from? Sure, you have smart people, but it also require a functioning economy to mobilize and convert all those talent into wealth. If a external entity can choke your economy and if your government just stand-by, virtue-signaling to people such as yourselves, your wealth will disappear in no time. BOOM! Back to zero...

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