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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
#752Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple's 30% tax was introduced under Steve Jobs and there were no small business exemptions back then. Jobs died in 2011. It's time to stop extrapolating what Jobs would be doing 15 years later in 2026 if he were still around. Could be the same, could be better, could be worse.
In a time were operators where charging up to 90% for other stores. Those with listings of SMS codes for which app to download, depending on the phone OS. So it was a great deal back in 2008.
If Apple adopted the 90%, they would still be criticized.
The fact remains that it was a very stupid system in 2008, and lowering the percentage doesn't obviate Apple's perverse incentives.
Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
#753Always hated apple for their putrid business practices. Add this to the pile.
Google play store and steam are the same. This is regulatory. Hating a company for maximising profits is really something you should aim at legislation to control unchecked capitalism.
Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
#754I’ve heard it said that monopolies aren’t a flaw of the system—they’re its product. What else could perpetual, cutthroat competition lead to? This isn’t an unintended consequence. In every new era, even when an industry is disrupted or reinvented, a small number of dominant companies work aggressively to prevent real upheaval—by acquiring smaller competitors, engaging in regulatory capture, and shaping the rules in t…
There is no monopoly here though. Android makes up a pretty substantial proportion of users. That users continue to use Apple devices despite this kind of greed (and that people on HN cheered when Apple defeated Epic in court) shows that users don't care, which is unfortunate.
Fair, but duopoly then, not much better
Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
#755Apple’s App Store profits on commissions from digital sales Revenue $32 B Operating Costs $7 B [1] Estimated Profit $25 B Operating Margin ~78% [1] R&D, security, hosting, human review, and including building and maintaining developer tools Xcode, APIs, and SDKs. Apple could take just 7% cut and still make 20% profits. Fun Fact: During the Epic trial, it was revealed that Apple's profit margins on the App Store were…
Well said. Glad to see this at the top. Google also takes 30%. And I think steam too. This is 100% a regulatory issue.
But competitors to Steam exist: Epic Games Store only takes a 12% cut. Publishers have an option to use other distributors but choose not to.
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#756Just stop publishing the app, not every little thing needs an app. What the use for the app anyway? Notifications and apple pay?
I use the Patreon app. It's great. I get to see stuff from my favorite creatives weeks (sometimes months) early, and ad-free. Since many of them are youtubers and I don't pay google to show me less ads, this is a huge value prop. And, the Patreon app can cast videos to my TV, so it's really a complete experience.
I don't see anything there that isn't also a valid description of the Patreon website.
If your TV supports AirPlay, you just tap the icon on a video in Safari.
Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
#757I’ve heard it said that monopolies aren’t a flaw of the system—they’re its product. What else could perpetual, cutthroat competition lead to? This isn’t an unintended consequence. In every new era, even when an industry is disrupted or reinvented, a small number of dominant companies work aggressively to prevent real upheaval—by acquiring smaller competitors, engaging in regulatory capture, and shaping the rules in t…
There is no monopoly here though. Android makes up a pretty substantial proportion of users. That users continue to use Apple devices despite this kind of greed (and that people on HN cheered when Apple defeated Epic in court) shows that users don't care, which is unfortunate.
Cartel arrangements can still be a monopoly.
Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
#758This is obscene.
Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
#759with the direction their hardware is going, that's not going to last another decade
Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app
#760Just stop publishing the app, not every little thing needs an app. What the use for the app anyway? Notifications and apple pay?
I mean, the Patreon app has a podcast player in it... can't do that on a webpage