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In the 1970s everyone and their grandma was a member of some left wing revolutionary group, and half of them were working on some terrorist plot, bombing an embassy here, taking hostages there, hijacking an airplane, etc. etc. And in the 1980s every right wing reactionary had joined a right wing counter-revolutionary group, and 99% of them were plotting terrorist attacks (most of them targeting minorities). Today the…

Minneapolis had a whole string of them just this month

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No, being a member of a “terrorist organization” and the government allows itself latitude in defining that. It’s much easier to associate someone with an organization than to show personal acts of terrorism.

Right but to demonstrate that you lied about X they have to demonstrate X. So by the time you're deporting someone for the lie you could just as easily have deported them for the thing itself.

Having formerly been a member of a terrorist group is different from currently being in one - it may not be illegal, but lying about it is a deportable offence.

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Most would-be attackers are not suicidal, I suppose. You would have to be in order to start a fire on a plane that you are on.

> Most would-be attackers are not suicidal That's definitely not an assumption in the threat model.

I could have said that better. I meant to say, the fact that you have to be suicidal to do the attack definitely reduces the pool of attackers.

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I find it interesting to contrast this with my experience flying out of China. I was taken to a private room and shown the digital colored X-ray of my bag on which a box had been drawn around an empty lighter, I was asked to remove it myself and hand it over, and I went on my way. All in under 5 minutes, no pat down, no fuss, and no one physically rifled through my belongings. (Granted I was a tourist so that might w…

This sounds like my experiences in Toronto. It’s less adversarial than the experiences I've had in the U.S. My experiences were basically a form of, “Hey we saw something that caught our attention and might be an issue. Let's work through addressing this." One case it was a handful of 3.5" galvanized nails. "Whoops. Okay, so, this bag used to be my makeshift toolbag. My other one ripped and I had to get one last minu…

That's been exactly my experience recently in the US. Most recently it was some Hot Hands hand warmers. They just had me go to the end of the line where you get your bags ouf of the scanner and the agent brought my bag down there on the other side of the rollers. They set it on the table in front of me, and there was a monitor above the table where they pointed to the hand warmers on the screen. They said something along the lines of, "Looks like you might have some hand warmers in the main pocket, would you mind taking them out?" I pulled them out, showed them to them, they thanked me and I put it back in the bag and went on my way. This was in Juneau, AK.

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So like, just one not on the same order of magnitude?

No, the vast majority of terrorist truck, car, bombing, shooting, stabbing attacks have single digit casualties due to the security measures in place and the level of difficulty (thankfully) in killing large numbers of people. For a given number of people, money, resources, and risk, an attack against an airliner will have disproportionate casualties and effect. As above, a similar amount of co-ordination was require…

Iunno, did the bataclan attackers learn to play the drums or guitar?

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> The harder you make it to down or hijack a plane, the fewer downed planes you will see. You know that TSA fails in 90-95% of cases and that crowds before it are a much jucier target?

Have those crowds been targeted? I see similar crowd densities all over the place. I can think of easier targets than the airport.

Indeed, those crowds haven't been targeted, and TSA fails to detect 90-95% of tests to bring anything dangerous on board.

So what does that tell you?

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> Taxi enters drop-off area for 30 seconds: £7 To be fair, I entirely understand the absolute necessity for this. The reason for its introduction is before hand the PHVs (Uber etc.) of this world would, instead of using the car parks, go up to the drop-off area and wait there. Because there was no charge and no penalty, what they would do is drop off a passenger and then sit there waiting for their next job to ping o…

Rather than charge everyone £7 or more for a drop off, wouldn't it make more sense to charge the people abusing it an absurd amount? I'd much rather see a £25 fee after 90 seconds and an additional £125 fee after 5 minutes than £7 for 30 seconds. It seems less about making things more efficient and more about just squeezing a little bit out of money out of everyone.

That'd be a lot of surveillance and bookkeeping.

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> Taxi enters drop-off area for 30 seconds: £7 To be fair, I entirely understand the absolute necessity for this. The reason for its introduction is before hand the PHVs (Uber etc.) of this world would, instead of using the car parks, go up to the drop-off area and wait there. Because there was no charge and no penalty, what they would do is drop off a passenger and then sit there waiting for their next job to ping o…

Rather than charge everyone £7 or more for a drop off, wouldn't it make more sense to charge the people abusing it an absurd amount? I'd much rather see a £25 fee after 90 seconds and an additional £125 fee after 5 minutes than £7 for 30 seconds. It seems less about making things more efficient and more about just squeezing a little bit out of money out of everyone.

Recently parked in a Spanish airport carpark that worked similar to this.

First few minutes free, lower tariffs for 5-10 mins (or maybe fixed charge at those limits?), then like 1 euro per minute after that.

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That's probably a "JFK is unusually bad" thing, not an "everything is terrible in America and those idiot Americans don't know any better because they never travel" thing. I haven't been driven to JFK since 2001 and I don't remember what it was like then, but driving anywhere around NYC requires great patience.

London is worse _overall_ for traffic than NYC, so I don't think it's that. I like America and Americans, but it's a fact that they don't travel much. JFK is not just bad for drop-off, it's chaos and run-down in general.

Many of us travel internationally quite a bit. And again, this thing you think is uniquely American very much is not.

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I’ve definitely found free water fountains at CDG. Now, one of the Bucharest airports literally does not have potable tap water. Their well, being under an airport and all, is contaminated. By email, they did inform me that the water is microbiologically fine. Unsure of their pipe to the municipal system was been built out.

Probably a issue with PFAS contamination. Stuff was used in firefighting water, and has contaminated just about every airport and the surrounding area's groundwater, all over the world. So while microbiologically safe, it has PFAS issues.

Either that or hydrocarbons from leaks over several decades or deicing fluid easily infiltrating their wells, or all!

Or they don’t test it and therefore can’t certify it but I did take a swig and immediately spat it out.

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