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Post by einsteinx2 »

wombat-man wrote: post #112
einsteinx2 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I got into Dilbert at the tender age of eight years old. I don't know why I liked it so much when half the jokes went over my head, but I loved computers and comics Same! Or at least I got into them as a young kid I don’t remember the exact age, it was probably a few years older but definitely tweens max. I’m also not sure why I liked them so much, other than that I loved computers and always knew I’d end up workin…

very interesting to find other folks who jibed with this comic at a young age. My mom and aunt had cubicle jobs and the entire idea seemed very fun to me. I recall looking at my 4th grade classroom and thinking we could really benefit from some cubicles. Sadly I'm doomed to work in an open floorplan. I wasn't exactly a daily reader at the time, but I was sad to hear when dilbert was pulled, and why. I tried to send h…

My very first job in tech I had a cubicle, but that was the only time. I’m also not a fan of open floor plans, but seems like they’re standard now. Feels like a “careful what you wish for” situation since everyone hated the idea of “cubicle farms” and wanted them gone (like the famous scene in Office Space), but somehow open floor plan is actually worse.

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Post by will4274 »

blackgirldev wrote: post #257
jchallis wrote: post #188

Scott Adams died today. I want to acknowledge something complicated. He always felt culturally like family to me. His peaks—the biting humor about corporate absurdity, the writing on systems thinking and compounding habits, the clarity about the gap between what organizations say and what they do—unquestionably made me healthier, happier, and wealthier. If you worked in tech in the 90s and 2000s, Dilbert was a shared…

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I don't think that's exclusive to white men at all. We have seen a number of concerning anti-Semitic statements from Black NBA players and one particular Arab podcaster. The general rule seems to be something like "Rich / famous people are allowed to only mildly reject -isms that are common in the community in which they grew up."

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Post by bena »

thefz wrote: post #204
ryandvm wrote: post #33

The entire arc of Scott Adams is a cautionary tale. To go from a brilliant satirist to becoming terminally online and just completely falling off the far right cliffs of insanity is incredibly sad. And unfortunately, this is plight is not uncommon. It is incredibly dangerous to make politics part of your identity and then just absolutely bathe yourself in a political media echo chamber.

Notch too. I never understood the urge to self destruct online. Jesus, take the money and fame and disappear like Tom of myspace.

Eh. I don't think Notch can really self-destruct. Was made a billionaire with the sale of Mojang to Microsoft. People may not like him, but I don't think it can ever truly affect him.

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Post by neuroelectron »

Going to miss you Clott Adams. Your self-depreciating humor is a benchmark we really need, especially in the black community, which to it's detriment, has been gassed up to the point were self-reflection is very difficult. Mysterious forces prefer it to be this way and despite us knowing that "black pride," like any kind of pride is a sin, it doesn't seem to be allowed to be addressed. Despite the internet building many places for such discussion, instead we get censorship in various forms including spam, bots, well poisoning, deboosting, filter bubbles, ineffective search, dark patterns, and so on.

A cyberattack targeting an oncology journal has taken it offline that published a peer-reviewed study from Tufts and Brown University exploring links of COVID injections to newly diagnosed or rapidly worsened cancer shortly after COVID injections. Did this have anything to do with your cancer? It doesn't seem like this kind of question is allowed to be entertained either.

In the early 2000s we would say that the Internet sees censorship as a network failure and routes around it. Now we see that was wishful thinking. The Network Effect prefers centralization and the government prefers subtle control and liability shields held by corporations.

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Post by protocolture »

jchallis wrote: post #188

Scott Adams died today. I want to acknowledge something complicated. He always felt culturally like family to me. His peaks—the biting humor about corporate absurdity, the writing on systems thinking and compounding habits, the clarity about the gap between what organizations say and what they do—unquestionably made me healthier, happier, and wealthier. If you worked in tech in the 90s and 2000s, Dilbert was a shared…

>For Scott, like family, I’m a better person for the contribution.

This is the only issue I have with your statement.

I have a lot of favourite creators who are noteworthy for something bad or another. I like their stuff. The bad stuff doesnt particularly affect me. We get on fine. I read Howard and Lovecraft. I enjoy the heck out of them. I used to watch reruns of the Dilbert cartoon.

The issue here is sort of the implication that family is a net positive despite bad behaviours. Thats bs. Anyone who has had to push shitty assholes from their family isn't happy that they existed, or made better through their existence. Scott Adams is just a niche internet microcelebrity who made some funny comics and said some shitty things on his podcast. Blocking him is a lot easier than getting rid of an abusive family member, and his net effect on someone is going to be a lot lower.

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Post by tombert »

didgetmaster wrote: post #748

Once upon a time, you could enjoy the works of a creative person at face value; mainly because you didn't know much of anything about their personal life. That seems to have all changed in this age of the Internet; where every aspect of your life is exposed for all the world to judge (at least if you are famous). All your words (written or spoken) are presented as proof positive that you and your works are not to be…

> I generally like to enjoy a good book, movie, blog, or comic strip without letting politics get in the way.

It's certainly easier once they're dead. I can't speak for everyone, but part of the issue is that we don't want to financially support anyone who is doing bad stuff, so once they're dead I don't have to worry about funding them.

Hyperbolic example; suppose David Duke wrote a fantasy novel. Let's even assume that this fantasy novel had nothing to do with race or politics and was purely just about elves and gnomes and shit. Let's also assume that the novel is "good" by any objective measure you're like to use.

I would still not want to buy it, because I would be afraid that my money is going to something I don't agree with. David Duke is a known racist, neo-Nazi, and former leader of the KKK, and if I were to give him cash then it's likely that some percentage of this will end up towards a cause that I think is very actively harmful.

Now, if you go too deep with this, then of course you can't ever consume anything; virtually every piece of media involves multiple people, often dozens or even hundreds, many of which are perfectly fine people and some of which are assholes, so unless you want to go live in a Unabomber shack then everything devolves into my favorite Sonic quote [1].

So you draw a line somewhere, and I think people more or less have drawn the line at "authorship".

[1] https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-prev...

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Post by ljsprague »

dangus wrote: post #481
riazrizvi wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did he go off the rails? My understanding is that the zeitgeist is taking people’s opposing views online and distorting them, removing context, to outrage our own audience and align it to our cause. Almost everyone is reasonable, it’s the contexts that our reasons are relevant to, which are different.

“The best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people“ -Scott Adams Does that sound reasonable to you?

It's hyperbole and in response to black people who don't think it's OK to be white.

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

rchaud wrote: post #657
lisper wrote: post #625

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The racism and the provocations were always there Were they? Can you cite an example? Because I also grew up with Dilbert, and I was never aware of it.

It's in Chapter 1 of his autobiography. He used to work at a bank in the 80s, and was turned down for a managerial or executive position (can't remember) which went to an Asian candidate. He was certain it was due to DEI (in the 80s!) and quit the corporate world to become a cartoonist. The strip that got him dropped in 2022 featured a black character (first in the history of the cartoon) who "identifies as white".

How is this racism? It's a complaint about alleged racism and a pun on corporate "Identifies as black" DEI events. He is not saying anything negative about asian candidate or black character.

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Post by benjiro »

throw4436y54 wrote: post #243
jchallis wrote: post #188

Scott Adams died today. I want to acknowledge something complicated. He always felt culturally like family to me. His peaks—the biting humor about corporate absurdity, the writing on systems thinking and compounding habits, the clarity about the gap between what organizations say and what they do—unquestionably made me healthier, happier, and wealthier. If you worked in tech in the 90s and 2000s, Dilbert was a shared…

This comment reminds me of when I talked to a few Chinese friends about their thoughts on Mao. They all acknowledged the failed policies which led to famine, yet they also admired that he basically gave Chinese people their pride back. They related him to an uncle figure who became a mean drunk.

> This comment reminds me of when I talked to a few Chinese friends about their thoughts on Mao.

There has been a push under Xi's leadership to whitewash a lot of the past, especially involving Mao. As Xi has been positioning himself as a somewhat father figure of the nation. This has resulted in a revival of Mao policies, like the little red book.

So do not be surprised about uncle figure statement...

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