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Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by protocolture »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #53

Yet they seem to be spending more in restaurants: > Ozempic Users Actually Spend More Dining Out. > ..In casual dining establishments, they spend 25% more than non-GLP-1 households do, the market researcher says. Data firm Numerator shares similar findings, noting that while GLP-1 users report eating out less and cooking at home more, their spending says otherwise: “Verified purchase data reveals that their fast-food…

Doesnt surprise me honestly. I have done this too. I buy a few things and eat only a small amount of each. Like a taster.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by DrBazza »

subpixel wrote: post #551

> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US The American diet is insane, full stop. However, I've just begun a GLP-1 regimen to address a willpower problem, not a nutritional problem. I'm not quite young anymore and have given lots of other approaches a shot over the years, but have persistently failed to achieve a weight that is not a threat to my health.…

The American shopping experience is weird as well. There's a spectrum of supermarkets.

Versus the UK, any US supermarket I've ever visited (I lived there for a couple of years) seemed to have far less fresh food, especially vegetables and fruit, but stuff in boxes was piled high.

Then again, the UK vs. Spain or France is weird, by the same metric, they have even more fresh food than us in supermarkets, and much less boxed stuff.

Geography and having continent sized country probably doesn't help either.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by carlmr »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #450
jjk166 wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The data I have seen says the average American eats 400-700 excess daily calories, and 3600 daily calories total. That means 10-20% excess per person. If everyone started eating the right amount overnight, grocery spend would drop 10-20%. You're falsely assuming a 1:1 ratio between calories and cost. Unfortunately the big problem with ultra processed food is that calorie rich but nutrient deficient food is way chea…

>You're falsely assuming a 1:1 ratio between calories and cost Not falsely. Back of the envelope. If you want to improve the model go right ahead, but I was upfront with its limitations.

I got some similar responses on my post above. HN discussion quality is really suffering recently. Wondering how many LLMs are involved here at this point.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by carlmr »

rootusrootus wrote: post #322
Y_Y wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you've eliminated the likely hypothesis that overly processed food and GLP-1 use are significantly more prevalent in America. I don't think anyone would argue that these things don't exist at all in other countries, but we can still talk about degrees.

> we can still talk about degrees And yet Europeans in this discussion are going out of their way to play the America Fat game without acknowledging how much fatter Europeans are than Asians.

Nobody did, please don't derail the conversation. I did even acknowledge that Germans aren't that slim.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by carlmr »

Aurornis wrote: post #223
u_sama wrote: post #216

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Let it be noted that I have said overweight and not obese, if you are in the obese category you are 100% unhealthy (even the bodybuilders who inject stereoirs in this category are unhealthy).

It doesn’t change the argument. Most people who have BMI in the overweight range do not have healthy weights. I say this as someone who did enough weightlifting to be in the overweight BMI range with a low percent of body fat (no steroids involved). Trust me when I say it’s a lot of work to get there. It’s not a category that includes a lot of people or invalidates the measure.

Thank you, this is what I constantly say. For population statistics, BMI is nigh perfect, since it's much easier to gather than more accurate data points, and the number of exceptions are super small.

I know very fit people that still fall well in the BMI 20-25 range. Most around 23. You have to be very focused on natural bodybuilding for years if you want to become an outlier on BMI.

Or some combination with being super short or super tall. But this again affects a tiny minority.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by 4ggr0 »

quesomaster9000 wrote: post #701
NoLinkToMe wrote: post #670

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I don't understand the point. Supermarket food is cheaper than restaurant food, virtually without exception. But the 'routine of supermarket shopping' creates 'noise' that makes you want to eat more / more often? How does that work. I tend to go to the supermarket once a week and make this buying decision on a full stomach. I've not bought snacks or soda during this type of shopping since I was a teenager, I simply r…

The key for me really was eating once a day, I got stuck in a bad routine with the shops and alcohol too. Whereas now I almost exclusively eat set menus, thalis, nasi kandar etc. at small family run places and ask for extra rice, pickles and veg at little to no cost, and the staff end up getting to know me. So most days it's "Oh... it's 8pm, I should eat now" and I'm done in half an hour without really thinking about…

> sometimes I just sit down and look at my phone and food turns up.

i mean it's your experience so it must work, maybe it also differs between countries - absolutely no chance that i could order take-out food and get it delivered to me for less money than buying the groceries myself and cooking it at home :O

(at the start of the pandemic it was almost doable because deliveries were way cheaper and everyone started doing it, but nowadays delivery has become pretty expensive. kind of like airbnb, start out cheap and over the years add a couple of bullshit fees).

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by pmontra »

padjo wrote: post #707
bsder wrote: post #673

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> They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more. Even if it's not intentional, I find that the enshittification seems to run along these lines. The things that finally drove it home for me this year were "peppermint bark" and "ranch dip". I used to buy this stuff or use the premade. This year I worked out how to do them properly myself. People raved about both. But I noticed th…

Or they weren’t actually that nice and people were being polite.

Maybe that's the reason but the cook also ate less and should be able to compare the taste.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by davidzweig »

DrBazza wrote: post #752
subpixel wrote: post #551

> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US The American diet is insane, full stop. However, I've just begun a GLP-1 regimen to address a willpower problem, not a nutritional problem. I'm not quite young anymore and have given lots of other approaches a shot over the years, but have persistently failed to achieve a weight that is not a threat to my health.…

The American shopping experience is weird as well. There's a spectrum of supermarkets. Versus the UK, any US supermarket I've ever visited (I lived there for a couple of years) seemed to have far less fresh food, especially vegetables and fruit, but stuff in boxes was piled high. Then again, the UK vs. Spain or France is weird, by the same metric, they have even more fresh food than us in supermarkets, and much less…

And huge selection of frozen meals. These I actually found better than expected.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by 4ggr0 »

eru wrote: post #117
francisofascii wrote: post #14

> a handful of categories showed increases. Yogurt rose the most, followed by fresh fruit, nutrition bars and meat snacks. Interesting. Wonder what it is about yogurt and ozempic users. Probiotics?

People who start on a new drug also make lots of other lifestyle adjustments. Especially when it's a weightloss drug. You'd get some of that effect, even if the drug was actually a placebo. But if it's working, then people have an even better motivation to make changes. Yogurt is widely seen as healthy, so people who want to change to a healthier lifestyle might pick it. (Yogurt might actually be healthy, I don't kno…

if you buy plain, unsweetend Yogurt, then yes. can even buy some probiotic Yogurt to help digestion etc.

sweetened Yogurt with fruit or chocolate or caramel or whatever on the other hand is basically a dessert and not particularly healthy.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by [deleted] »

GeorgeTirebiter wrote: post #704
anon7000 wrote: post #553

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And crucially, many of those bad foods can be pretty addictive. They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more. So it’s not surprising many people struggle to change that habit when the food ecosystem is working against you. Junk food both tastes better and is easier to eat than home-cooking a very healthy meal. You’re not exactly set up for success here.

I looked at a recent football (US) game, and I could not believe the pictures of the grease bombs they were pushing as 'food'. I literally felt ready to gag when I saw some 'chicken nuggets' or whatever was in the fried outer coating.

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