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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

#753

The old linux/X11 method of meta+dragging to move or resize windows from anywhere in the window, not having to hunt for the edges of the window, is so obviously superior to Windows and MacOS it's downright silly. They both should have swallowed their pride and implemented this 30 years ago.

I recommend altSnap to get this functionality on Windows. https://github.com/RamonUnch/AltSnap

I use this all day everyday. Love this, changed how it feels to work with GUIs for me.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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post #43

Compare to Aqua and Platinum where every resizable window/pane had a big square drag target clearly labeled as such with some diagonal lines: https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema... https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema...

Yeah, but scrollbars are bad and every bathwater has its baby.

(P.S. scrollbars aren't even bad)

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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post #386

What's jarring is not even that macOS Tahoe has such weird shapes of windows. What really astonishes me is that nobody seems to have anticipated how users would try to resize windows, and did not reshape the corner drag area (which I would expect to be a quarter-circle, or a quarter-ring along the rounded edge). This can't be a mistake, this can only be deliberate cutting corners by management in order to ship ASAP.…

What feels plausible to me is changing the underlying 19x19 px control would break layout of many existing apps, and the design team was hell bent that window corners had to be that round. I’d say it’s simply form over function, and that likely a meta-level argument about user empowerment or whatnot won.

There's also the problem that not every window in Tahoe has the same corner radius. Some people thought this was laziness/lack of polish or a bug, but Alan Dye confirmed on a podcast that it was intentional.

So then they're left with a conundrum: do they adjust the 19x19 region on a per-window basis, depending on the per-window corner radius, or do they stick with one standard drag region? Probably it should be the former, but that comes with its own set of issues.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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post #731
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also - as seen in that screenshot, had large, always visible scrollbars where it was easy to see how far down you were in a folder or document, and could easily click and drag to scroll to where you needed. Now in the service of minimalism we have scrollbars that consist of a thin, semi-transparent line that fades out after half a second and is nearly impossible to click and drag due to how small it is.

If one chooses "Always" under the "Show scroll bars" option on the Appearance System Settings panel. They will be rewarded with thick*, always-on scroll bars that do not disappear. *They're the same thickness as Aqua.

Sadly, this doesn't restore the 'resize box', you just get scrollbars ending in a weird curve.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

#757

The old linux/X11 method of meta+dragging to move or resize windows from anywhere in the window, not having to hunt for the edges of the window, is so obviously superior to Windows and MacOS it's downright silly. They both should have swallowed their pride and implemented this 30 years ago.

Moving windows like this is already built into macOS but it's hidden behind a flag for some reason: defaults write -g NSWindowShouldDragOnGesture -bool true You can then use Control+Command+Click to move windows from anywhere inside them. Sadly this doesn't provide resizing.

FWIW I have a note in my dot files that for this to take effect you need to logout and then log back in, not sure if this is (still?) the case.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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post #43

Compare to Aqua and Platinum where every resizable window/pane had a big square drag target clearly labeled as such with some diagonal lines: https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema... https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema...

Note that downside: you could only resize from that bottom right corner, not from any other edge! I do think that was better overall, and it's something I miss about Snow Leopard, but I can see why they changed it.

I don't see what's wrong with both, or even whatever combination you choose to configure.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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post #386

What's jarring is not even that macOS Tahoe has such weird shapes of windows. What really astonishes me is that nobody seems to have anticipated how users would try to resize windows, and did not reshape the corner drag area (which I would expect to be a quarter-circle, or a quarter-ring along the rounded edge). This can't be a mistake, this can only be deliberate cutting corners by management in order to ship ASAP.…

I hope "cutting corners" in this context was an intentional pun.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

#760
i am positive there's a bug in tahoe where the login screen passsword text input is waiting for something to settle in the background, either with my weird unicomp keyboard, a remap i do, or even the external monitors.

my password is always incorrect unless i count to about 20 or 30 seconds. once i have 'redocked' for the day, unlocking it subsequently doesnt have the requirement. but every dock insertion, it comes back.

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