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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by justinclift »

ThrownOffGame wrote: post #740
justinclift wrote: post #720

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> Do Englishmen frequently refer to “Blighty” in ordinary conversation? At least online, yes.

I suppose if they are comfortable with confusing foreigners with this lingo. In all my years on the Internet and written forums, as well as watching British TV for 50 years, there has been no notable usage of “Blighty” that caught my attention. If I had been aware of the usage, (other than archaic slang) I would’ve learned it sooner. But it’s notable that this Anglophile hadn’t been bothered until the Year of Our Lor…

No worries. Not sure if it's your cup of tea, but "The Register" might be a good example of a place which uses the term: https://www.theregister.com

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

haskellshill wrote: post #748
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #221

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I'm not a fan of my out-of-the-home activities all being stored in an online database accessible to billions of people and automatically scanned by several different governments (including a list of foreign countries extensive enough to include at least one you wish it didn't, regardless of who you are) to build a profile of every person, from hobbies to schedule to gait recognition to psychographic profile. But of c…

I think you imagine governments as being a lot more capable and interested in you than they really are. You haven't even told me what you think they'll actually do with that dreaded database, except keep it.

I can confirm that you do indeed think the thing you said you think.

Also, you have correctly noted that I did not say that second thing (since nobody has asked me to).

Good job, 2/2 accuracy, would chat again.

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Post by nonethewiser »

rkomorn wrote: post #528
nonethewiser wrote: post #511

>Publishing someone’s photo online, without their consent, without another strong justification, just because they happen to be in view of one’s camera lens, feels wrong to me. Why? I dont ask this dismissively. Im not suggesting he's unjustified. That's just the interesting question to me and the author doesnt explore it. I believe this feeling is a new trend. I dont think people had these qualms, say, 20 years ago.…

For me, the "why" is a mix of: 1- ubiquity: now, virtually everyone's got a device capable of capturing high quality photo/video of you at any time 2- discoverability: social media gives anything the potential to go viral which might put you in the spotlight or limelight, and the frequency at which things can go viral "enough" is way higher (more platforms, larger follower counts, etc) (this is I assume what you mean…

so basically just the amount of people that will see it. that was my initial reaction as well.

i feel like there is also the fact that those people now have more tools to trace the video back to you personally. Like they could potentially take some action that impacts your life. Probably not a concern with being a masked person in an airsoft game though.

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Post by array_key_first »

jMyles wrote: post #737
scotty79 wrote: post #727

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> Fix... The patriachy? You want me to fix the patriarchy? Sure. Also sexism, puritanism, security through obscurity and abrahamic religions while you are at it. It's long overdue. > There's a very simple solution we can do right now: don't take naked pictures of people. That's a very temporary solution since in a very near future everybody will have their pictures taken all the time and not necessarily in the wavele…

This is a very reasonable, thoughtful answer. array_key_first is a gaslighter and not worth your time.

What is reasonable about the claim that we should be allowed to take naked pictures because it's inevitable?

Why is it inevitable? I reject that conclusion. Inevitability isn't an argument, it's a belief system.

I can say anything is inevitable. Shooting someone in the face is inevitable if guns exist. Okay, sure.

But shooting someone in the face is still illegal, no matter how inevitable it is. The solution isn't to make people good - because that's not reasonable.

I'm frustrated because this argument is so intrinsically and fundamentally flawed, and in such an obvious way, but I still have to argue against it.

I feel like I'm arguing that the sky is blue. Is this for real?

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by scotty79 »

array_key_first wrote: post #734
scotty79 wrote: post #727

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> Fix... The patriachy? You want me to fix the patriarchy? Sure. Also sexism, puritanism, security through obscurity and abrahamic religions while you are at it. It's long overdue. > There's a very simple solution we can do right now: don't take naked pictures of people. That's a very temporary solution since in a very near future everybody will have their pictures taken all the time and not necessarily in the wavele…

> That's a very temporary solution since in a very near future everybody will have their pictures taken all the time and not necessarily in the wavelengths that stop at clothing for one simple reason, technology exists. What? No. You can't hand wave away absolutionism. You can't just say "well thing X will definitely happen!" That's not an argument, that's a belief. You've just told me your religion. Not an argument.…

> You're saying we should be allowed to take as many pictures of nude women and girls as we want

I never said anything even remotely similar. All I'm saying is that when it happens (and it will) we should prioritize ensuring that it's not a reason for anyone to self-harm.

> You know what other technology exists right now? Today? Guns. > Does that mean I can shoot you in the face? Well the technology exists!

Yes, you can. Regardless of any laws. And I take precautions to avoid that scenario with a technological solution that lets me discuss with you without ever letting you know where my face is. Few hundred years ago it would be a power of a techno-god. Today it's everyday's baseline.

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Post by sharperguy »

wang_li wrote: post #408
fuzzehchat wrote: post #167

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The author is a tech lawyer. I think the article is there to start discussion. I agree with him that if private venues allow people to record like this they should offer, at the very least, an opt out. "Purple lanyard" seems like a good way. It's also a pretty easy spot in post production where you can either blur or cut as appropriate.

There is a super obvious opt out that doesn't require people to take special actions. Don't go to places that allow recording.

It's all about balance. Private venues want their customers to have the best experience they can so they will want to come back. The purple lanyard solution MIGHT work, depending on the ratio of people wearing them and the number of people filming. Or it might be that lots of people want to film and the one guy with the purple lanyard keeps getting in the shot and ruining it. Or it might be too many people want to film and end up ignoring it. But in the best case, it allows youtubers to make their videos while not requiring those who don't want to be in them to stay home, as non-customers.

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Post by pseidemann »

haskellshill wrote: post #747
pseidemann wrote: post #154

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There are a number of reasons, including: - I see who sees me, a digital copy breaks this symmetry - Recordings may be stored indefinitely, searched through, used for things I can't even imagine today - In a local environment a specific behavior might be normal or accepted while in some other cultures it is not. This conflict is bound to happen etc.

> used for things I can't even imagine today So why worry about it? It's like worrying a camera will "capture your soul" or whatever the story about those tribesmen is. > a local environment a specific behavior might be normal or accepted while in some other cultures it is not Do you actually have an example of this or is this yet another hypothetical?

> Do you actually have an example of this or is this yet another hypothetical?

Some political view in Region A is wildly unaccepted in Region B, thus making them "enemies". See recent conflicts globally.

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Post by scotty79 »

soiltype wrote: post #730
scotty79 wrote: post #638

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> we both know "no-recording" airsoft events are extremely unlikely to exist Let's assume it's true. What does it mean? That pretending to ruthlessly murder people while not being recorded is a niche kink and society doesn't owe this guy any special accomodations. Thanks to the internet, which publishing prowess he abhors, I'm sure, this guy will still be able to find group of fellow degenerates so he can have fun wi…

This is so fucking weird and needlessly hostile to the guy.

I pride myself with generating unorthodox takes. The stuff you can't just get from everybody.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by scotty79 »

soiltype wrote: post #731
scotty79 wrote: post #707

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One more thing. You don't affect current social sensibilities with a blog post. Society is a function of technology. Want privacy? Nothing short of inventing some privacy tech will get you that. I think for airsoft a facemask and pseudonym will do so you don't even need to invent anything, just apply it.

> You don't affect current social sensibilities with a blog post Do you think they hoped their blog post would have the force of law? I think the many conversations started on the front page of HN were probably more than sufficient impact. You _really_ don't need to be so defensive of the status quo.

Fair enough.
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