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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by tguvot »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #743
tguvot wrote: post #740

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if you will read wikipage of great march of return, it will tell you that from first day it wasn't peaceful

well.. straight from the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... ``` At least 189 Palestinians were killed between 30 March and 31 December 2018.[28]: 6 [29][30] An independent United Nations commission said that at least 29 out of the 189 killed were militants.[5] Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and live ammunition.[31] According to Robert Mardini, head of Middle East for the Internation…

you need to improve your vibe quoting. article talks about 13,000 wounded, not 130,000. iirc, been impacted by tear gas is also "wounded".

but back to the point.

- do you still claim that it was "peaceful march of return" ?

- where do you think the "return" part of the march were leading and what would have happened there ? (just in case, in UN report on Oct 7 documented that in most of places civilians followed armed members of hamas/pij/pflp/etc and engaged in looting, killing (famously thai workers that their heads were chopped off by unarmed civilians with help of hoe) and kidnapping (later sold to hamas/etc)

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by deadfoxygrandpa »

streptomycin wrote: post #676
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #491

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What exactly is your argument here? Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries, therefore, Jews can treat Palestinians like subhumans?

My argument is that people seem to get very worked up when the Jews do something, but basically nobody cares about other similar or even worse things done by other people. I suspect this is most likely because of antisemitism (not that every anti-Israel person is an antisemite, but that the movement would not have become so prominent without a large core of dedicated antisemites).

people in the west are getting "worked up" about it because our governments and our tax dollars are financing and facilitating these crimes! my government is not financing whatever iran is doing. i dont have any theoretical power over that. but my government, which is supposed to represent me, is a major actor in israel's crimes and i want my government to stop doing it

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by arp242 »

nandomrumber wrote: post #660
Shacklz wrote: post #637

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> "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ I have such a hard time understanding how such statements can find an accepting audience in this day and age; in Israel of all places. Replace "Israeli stand-up comedian" with "some Nazi propagandist in the 30s/40s" and "Gazans" with "Jews", and I'm sure it would be a perfectly accur…

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This did not start on Oct 7. Bad faith nonsense. This argumentum ad Oct-7 got tired about a year ago. How long do you plan to keep using it? Two more years? Ten years? Twenty years?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ace_of_spades »

martin82 wrote: post #744
diggan wrote: post #261

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The settlers been at this for a long, long time. It was hard for me to understand their perspective as well, because surely they most be seeing what they do as something good, like everyone else. There is a BBC documentary that goes into more depth, but a short snippet of the documentary can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrdldVhfbaU which includes a short interview with Daniella Weiss, a Orthodox Zio…

the BBC is not unbiased in this (or anything), so I would ignore any "documentary" aired by them.

Who is unbiased in this case? You have to acknowledge that all parties have agendas.

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Post by abustamam »

VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #432
sillystuff wrote: post #222

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Israeli jewish settlers murdered, on average, one Palestinian civilian per day in the west bank, for the entire year leading up to oct 11. The attacks on Palestinian civilians in the west bank have only accelerated, since then. Israel is a terrorist organization, not a state.

The word “terrorist” is strictly a political designation, one that allows for dehumanizing and condemning one’s enemies. Israel’s pager attack on Lebanon has all of the hallmarks of a terrorist attack, but the west won’t call it as it is because it’s inconvenient. It was inconvenient to acknowledge that Israel is conducting a full on genocide, so not until very recently did major western news orgs start using the dre…

A lot of what the US did during Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, could have been considered terrorism.

Terrorism as a label is a very convenient way to justify committing atrocities, under the name of squashing terrorism.

I remember hearing a radio talk show in which someone said they were against the Iraq war and the response from the pundit was "so you don't want to fight against terrorism?"

When people's actions get reduced to a single label it becomes increasingly easier to hate them.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by buyucu »

robertoandred wrote: post #632
buyucu wrote: post #541

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The fascist regime in Tel Aviv has been attacking almost every other country in the region. Israel is a country led by religious fanatics.

You're avoiding the question. Why is Israel expected to sacrifice itself when it's attacked?

Israel is an invader. People have a right to defend themselves from Israeli agression.

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Post by buyucu »

wonderwonder wrote: post #724
buyucu wrote: post #571

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Israeli military has murdered way more than 1000 men, women and children. History didn't start in 2023.

How is that relevant? Is your thought process that the government should just shrug say “oh those dastardly hamas guys got us this time. Fair play on the torture, mutilation, rape and kidnapping. They got our people fair and square they can keep them” Would you say the same if a bunch of iraqis murdered and raped your family due to what we did under Bush? Not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Its the gove…

This is pure evil. If you do evil stuff, you invite evil stuff to be done to you. Israel has not grounds to complain here.

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Post by arp242 »

Liron wrote: post #346
swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

Maybe not locking people up in the world's largest open-air prison for an entire generation and constantly kicking their teeth in would help. Just a thought.

"Give me liberty or give me death" as you say in America, I believe. Or does that only apply to the white man?

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Post by tguvot »

oa335 wrote: post #680
Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

settler attacks against West Bank Palestinians were not caused by Hamas, but by the settlers religious belief that the land is promised to them. That is a key part of the context as well. And in that vein, what options to Palestinians have to defend against violent settlers and displacement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Price_tag_attack_...

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Post by tguvot »

franczesko wrote: post #525
Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

Being pro-Israel, what's your take on quotes from figures such as Smotrich and Ben-gvir?

majority of israeli population finds them despicable. in polling for next election smotrich party disappears and ben-gvir party shrinks
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