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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. It seems like with all the external global support, it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty.

Current strategies of applying external pressure and protesting appear to be largely ineffective.

There's so many people who wield immense power and wealth, but they seem unwilling to take direct action to put a stop to this conflict, they just sit in the sidelines like low-agency players.

If there's a trusted neutral party that people could rally behind, then it would just be a matter of coordinating behind them and pushing a focused message of bringing all relevant leaders to the negotiation table in order to design a framework that builds towards peace in the area.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by fwsgonzo »

whadar wrote: post #725
geysersam wrote: post #695

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but how else would Gazans eat Lets be entirely clear that the food crisis in Gaza is manufactured. There is enough food and medicines available and there are several organizations capable of dealing with the logistics of handling out the food, main one among them of course being UNWRA. The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let re…

"The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there." This is not accurate to say the least. Trucks do get in but Hamas and armed groups control the supplies and prevent a fair distribution

This is a white lie.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

xdennis wrote: post #612
YZF wrote: post #446

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I'll give you my honest opinion here and a criticism of Israeli government all at once. Israel should have moved the Palestinians civilians into Israel proper, e.g. the Negev. It should have created refugee camps for them there and provided them with all the support/aid while it went after Hamas. They'd be able to filter the people going in, make them surrender their weapons etc. No tunnels, no weapons caches, etc. I…

> Israel should have moved the Palestinians civilians into Israel proper, e.g. the Negev. This is so silly. Israel is a tiny country. There are countless huge Muslim countries, none of which want to help Gazans. How many German refugees did the Allies take in WW2?

First of all, most of the Palestinian families in Gaza come from Israel. They lived in what is now southern Israel until 1948, when they were driven out in an extremely brutal Israeli military operation (Operation Barak).

Secondly, comparing the Palestinians to Nazi Germany is absurd and grotesque. The Palestinians are an oppressed people who were driven out of their homeland by an invading force in 1947-48, and who have lived in squalid refugee camps ever since. Since 1967, they have lived under direct military occupation by the very people who originally expelled them from their homeland, and are subjected to a racist regime in which their land is slowly taken away, piece by piece. The Palestinians have no country, no passport, no sovereignty, no rights.

Comparing them to the citizens of an industrialized power that tried to conquer Europe is insane.

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Post by dontlaugh »

jahewson wrote: post #366
ivape wrote: post #338

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It’s really not. France and England are suddenly realizing the genocide, and Israel has decided that now is the time aid gets to come in. Trump just admitted there is starvation in Gaza. It’s pretty coordinated. It’s an easy ask, “we just need 14 months of silence plus or minus, then whatever”.

The U.K. didn’t even have the same government 14 months ago. Completely different party in power. The degree of coordination you’re talking about is not just unlikely but fantastical.

And yet this New New Labour has been enacting the exact same policies as the Tories before them. "Completely different" is completely wrong.

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Post by hermitcrab »

axblount wrote: post #343
hermitcrab wrote: post #31

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Someone from the Texas state government wanted to buy a $75 licence for my event planning software. Fine. Then they told me I had to sign an agreement that I wouldn't boycot Israel. Ridiculous. It's none of their business. I refused to sign it and didn't get the sale.

Arizona has a similar law regarding the Uyghurs. Every contact needs a clause that says no Uyghur "forced labor" was used.

That is very different though.

The Texas example is: promise not to boycott a country that is currently committing genocide.

The Arizona example is: promise that you aren't benefitting from a current genocide.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

JamesAdir wrote: post #592
imchillyb wrote: post #287

Removal of occupants from West Bank and Gaza, completely, was always the overall goal here. Israel doesn't seem to care overly much how this occurs, but they're making it happen. The goal is almost reached. There will be no Palestine. Egypt doesn't want the refugees. Jordan doesn't want the refugees. Qatar doesn't want the refugees. UAE doesn't want the refugees. Syria doesn't want the refugees. Lebanon doesn't want…

Can you point out to any action about the removal of West Bank arabs? There are an estimation of 2.5-3 million arabs there. There is actually a country for these people and this is Jordan. Since in '48 the arabs didn't accept the two state solution then, they are forced to live in a country which is not for them. Also, could you please point out where are they refugees from? '48 is 77 years ago, how is the 2nd and 3r…

The use of the term "West Bank arabs" is already a racist dog whistle. They're called "Palestinians."

They come from Palestine. They're not going to willingly allow themselves to be deported to Jordan, as you want.

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Post by buyucu »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #751

I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. It seems like with all the external global support, it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty. Current strategies of applying external pressure and protesting appear to be largely ineffective. There's so many people who wield immense power and wealth, but they seem unwilling to take direct act…

Israel will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder.

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Post by haissam »

YZF wrote: post #427
ivape wrote: post #347

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You're confusing hatred for Palestinians with hatred for Gazans. Most Israelis do not hate Palestinians. There might be some. There's definitely a lot of hate to Gazans after Oct 7th which is understandable. As to the "what are we supposed to do" part- What are they supposed to do? How would you navigate this better after Oct 7th given the setup/hostages etc.? Israel has officially said many times they are not target…

Interesting that you link to gazawood.com - the site is very cagey about who runs it, at least in its About Us page. However on its donation page aimed at Israelis it proudly advertises itself as a hasbara site. If you're trying to do hasbara here, at least have the decency to cite somewhat credible sources.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

solidsnack9000 wrote: post #633

For everyone in this thread hoping for a "Marshall Plan" or other functional aid regime for Gaza, keep in mind that the Marshall Plan began with defeat . It was only with Germany's unconditional surrender that the Allies could establish security and make a plan for the future. Hamas has had many opportunities to surrender and hasn't taken them. Hitler had many opportunities, as well; but chose not to. Surrender was n…

Any comparison between the Palestinians and Nazi Germany is absurd. It's like comparing the Native Americans to the Nazis and asking, "Why didn't they just surrender to the European colonists? They chose to fight to the end, so it's their own fault."
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