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Post by ryandrake »

socalgal2 wrote: post #679
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #260

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> One fights the enemies of the state "At stake is a fundamental component of the framework of US constitutional democracy. It begins with the principle, enshrined in law, that military forces exist to protect the country from existential threats — such as an invasion or rebellion — not to enforce the law. Most fundamentally, the founders of the American republic understood very clearly that concentrated military pow…

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LOL, so if I travel to Australia and wave my American flag there, they should consider me to be part of an invasion force?

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Post by jasondigitized »

snarf21 wrote: post #533
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497

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Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket" - Lyndon Johnson

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Post by Bender »

UncleEntity wrote: post #499
Bender wrote: post #437

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Active duty can guard federal buildings and federal agents. Not sure that is how they will use them. When I was active duty I assisted in multiple weather related catastrophic events and I am glad they did not argue against our use. We helped many citizens in a time the national guard would not have been sufficient.

I'm sure you can agree there is a difference between disaster relief and "suppressing a rebellion". After the first Gulf War they sent us to Greensboro, NC to march in some parade and no one argued against that either because we weren't being used in any law enforcement capacity. Honestly, if we were there for 'riot control' I doubt they would have given us such a warm welcome.

Speaking of rebellion since you guys are experts on this I want to know who is bringing in all the violent rioters from other parts of the US and handing them the same size, shape Mexican flag that are all folded the same way same creases. Is it the same US taxpayer funded NGO's that were smuggling them into the US? And why the Mexican flag? Isn't that the very place they are trying to stay out of and wouldn't a Mexican flag imply an invasion from Mexico? I would think they would want to wave around a US flag since they want to stay here. Several things are just off about all of this. It feel like I am watching a movie produced by really lazy script writers. Is it just me? I am fine with them burning the US flag since they are following the flag protocol of the United States of America, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.

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Post by ljsprague »

vel0city wrote: post #613
matt-attack wrote: post #601

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Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx. 12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed. Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?

> declare they simply cannot handle the influx They cannot handle it with the resources being given. This is true for the red states like Texas and what not, the social services we do have struggle to handle the load. But we're choosing to let these systems struggle . We could solve it if we chose to do so. In 2020 our population was ~330 million people. Even if 12 million people immigrated to the United States, that…

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by ryandrake »

snarf21 wrote: post #533
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

This one isn't even about middle class vs. poor. The immigration crackdowns are very popular across the entire (R) electorate, regardless of their wealth. It's all about picking out-groups, making them into enemies, and inflicting cruelty on them. That's what that side really wants out of their government. They have a long list of perceived enemies who they are expecting to be able to deliver cruelty to once they're done with immigrants.

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Post by jasondigitized »

anonymid wrote: post #735
jl6 wrote: post #514

It's clear that many commenters here are operating from completely different factual bases, in terms of who did what, and in what order. Fog of war seems to be in effect.

I agree - there seems to be talking past each other about some very fundamental things: How extensive is the violence of the protests? I saw some images shared of cars that were burned, maybe some buildings damaged. But also lots of images from other protests from previous years. Are the images of the same 3 cars and storefronts or many? Trump says the riots are out of control, Newsom says the protests are largely pe…

The key tell is.....CNN for example is mentioning with specificity how many cops and military are on the ground but only uses the word "large groups" when talking about how many protestors and rioters there are. Mentioning the actual small numbers of protestors / rioters doesn't allow them to sensationalize this.

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Post by lordfrito »

More and more I don't understand what's happening with all of these political articles making it to the front page of HN and stuffed full of charged comments and lots of grey.

We may be smart techies but the arguments here about politics seem awfully reductive. We're out of our lane on most of this. What's with all the hate here?

The commentary here feels like its sliding it's way towards Reddit. Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe it's accidental, or maybe it's on purpose?

Hoping not to lose my faith in the quality of discourse on this website.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

anonfordays wrote: post #724
pwarner wrote: post #487

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Exactly The aggressive raids aren't in Florida or Texas, or even California farm county, they're targeting urban areas, and getting the intended headlines.

You clearly posted false statements. Are you able to retract or delete your comment?

I would honestly hope that comments don't get deleted as it makes following discussion threads harder. If someone already posted a rebuttle, you can already see it.

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

darkmighty wrote: post #216
DoktorDelta wrote: post #154

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You cannot "get away" from politics. Burying your head in the sand will not insulate you from what is happening.

Plato: "One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." I don't love the phrasing of inferiors, but at least evil certainly applies. (Well thought out, well informed) Politics is a duty not a luxury.

What is the point of encouraging more people to participate in politics when that increases the chances of your party losing? From a relatively recent analysis of polls at https://archive.is/kbwom "The reality is if all registered voters had turned out, then Donald Trump would’ve won the popular vote by 5 points [instead of 1.7 points]. So, I think that a 'we need to turn up the temperature and mobilize everyone' strategy would’ve made things worse." That's from a Democratic analyst, not a Republican one.

The Republicans are rubbing their hands together and cackling every time one of you claims "everything is political" or "politics is a duty" because it just helps them win elections.

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Post by bendigedig »

sam345 wrote: post #508

Exactly why is this HN appropriate? Nothing that is not already in the papers and nothing particularly interesting to the HN crowd per guidelines. I came here for HN and I got reddit. "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's pro…

I think it's interesting to see how much panic, head burying, and fascist apologia there is around.
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