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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by djohnston »

LastTrain wrote: post #736
djohnston wrote: post #329

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Are you implying that people should only vote on things which they encounter in their day-to-day lived experience? That's silly and not how the world works. Why are you mad about Gaza? You aren't getting JDAMs dropped on your roof, are you? How does Gaza impact you on a daily basis? Harris failed to distance herself from positions that are deeply unpopular with the majority of Americans (e.g. sex changes for illegal…

I tend to care about policies that don't impact me personally when they harm other people. I'm a natural born citizen, I'm not going to get deported with out process, but I still care about that. I'm not in grade school, so I'm not going to be a victim of a school shooting, but I still care about that. If it is a policy that doesn't impact me personally, but benefits someone else, yeah I tend to not give a shit. Why…

> If it is a policy that doesn't impact me personally, but benefits someone else, yeah I tend to not give a shit.

You're excluding a key point - the policy often benefits one party at the cost of another. You mentioned immigration and that's a great example of this sort of pathological empathy that has infected the left.

There's a cheap and fleeting sense of virtue attained when you champion illegal immigration and decry deportations. You post photos of mothers and their children crying at the border because the human trafficking organisations are having a hard time getting them across nowadays. But it's important to remember the negative pressure illegal immigrants place on wages and why there's a gross cabal of large corporations, lobbies, and affiliated NGOs, who virtue signal immigration as a means to lower their labor costs. It's important to remember the entire pipeline of illegal immigrants is owned and operated by extremely violent cartels - humans are now their most valuable product. Your desperate craving for that high of in-group acceptance is propping this up.

It's not that you're empathetic - you just don't care about the negatively impacted party. Nothing new under the sun.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by LastTrain »

djohnston wrote: post #751
LastTrain wrote: post #736

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to care about policies that don't impact me personally when they harm other people. I'm a natural born citizen, I'm not going to get deported with out process, but I still care about that. I'm not in grade school, so I'm not going to be a victim of a school shooting, but I still care about that. If it is a policy that doesn't impact me personally, but benefits someone else, yeah I tend to not give a shit. Why…

> If it is a policy that doesn't impact me personally, but benefits someone else, yeah I tend to not give a shit. You're excluding a key point - the policy often benefits one party at the cost of another. You mentioned immigration and that's a great example of this sort of pathological empathy that has infected the left. There's a cheap and fleeting sense of virtue attained when you champion illegal immigration and d…

Yeah you don’t get to use the claim of “virtue signaling” to shut down conversation any more, we all understand that is a manipulative play to make someone feel a chump for having standards. Your claims on immigrants don’t match stats, they are less violent than the American population at large. And your example wasn’t that, it was about trans rights. Why would you be singularly opposed to recognizing someone’s basic rights to be who they are?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by sejje »

Teever wrote: post #614
sejje wrote: post #366

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Would they cover it on TV news? There's little-to-no discussion about the implications on tech, based on my reading of the comments. Just general politics and nationalism.

Hackernews has those monthly official posts from that immigration lawyer proberts, immigration stuff is highly important to HN and the users here. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=proberts

Okay, so what's your answer? Why's it getting flagged? I just tried to answer guy's question.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by djohnston »

LastTrain wrote: post #752
djohnston wrote: post #751

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it is a policy that doesn't impact me personally, but benefits someone else, yeah I tend to not give a shit. You're excluding a key point - the policy often benefits one party at the cost of another. You mentioned immigration and that's a great example of this sort of pathological empathy that has infected the left. There's a cheap and fleeting sense of virtue attained when you champion illegal immigration and d…

Yeah you don’t get to use the claim of “virtue signaling” to shut down conversation any more, we all understand that is a manipulative play to make someone feel a chump for having standards. Your claims on immigrants don’t match stats, they are less violent than the American population at large. And your example wasn’t that, it was about trans rights. Why would you be singularly opposed to recognizing someone’s basic…

> they are less violent than the American population at large.

I made no assertion about the criminality of the immigrants, but rather the cartels bringing them here.

Regarding "trans rights", which is quite a large umbrella of ideas, negatively impacted parties include:

1. Parents who don't want schools influencing their children's ideas about sexual identity.

2. Women who don't want to compete against biological men in athletics (this is the most bewildering failure of the left's tolerance).

3. Women who feel uncomfortable sharing previously women-only spaces with biological men.

4. Trans people who made life-altering decisions as a minor and now regret it.

These negatively impacted parties are vocal now - they aren't hard to see. You don't care about them, is all.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by hartator »

diggan wrote: post #552
hartator wrote: post #390

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That’s their claim on their website. How is it different from a local dealer: trust me cops won’t care? Federal law allowance on that 3% rule is very very narrow. And it’s highly likely that the THC is being re-enrich post haverst which then it is still not legal. “Harsher laws” are pretty harsh. Even if no violence just “easing distribution”, it’s a max sentence of 10-year.

I dunno, if we start making up things like "She said she isn't a criminal, but what if she actually launders money" and not take the article for what it says, what's the point of discussing all of this at all?

This immigration employee did decide to classify this enriched hemp as a controlled substance, yes.

This doesn’t a crazy out of line interpretation of that 3% THC rule that seems like a legal hoop-hole, but it is just of the lack of enforcement of the law by other branches of the government that makes feel this way. It means to be accidental THC not laboratory enriched THC. Which is obviously the case here.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by ajmurmann »

graemep wrote: post #564
ajmurmann wrote: post #549

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What makes it hard to investigate the dodgy contractors? I don't fully understand why this is harder than identifying illegal immigrants.

The dodgy contractors take a markup for taking the risk away from employers. A lot of them are criminals with connections to people smugglers, are both willing and able to get away with things someone with a more legitimate business would not. They are a layer of plausible deniability.

I get the isolation the contractors provide but why can't one audit the contractors?

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Post by codexb »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #594
codexb wrote: post #467

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The San Diego port of entry is the busiest land border crossing in the western hemisphere. The takeaway here should be that the resources to handle immigration along the southern border are insufficient.

Imprisoning someone takes far more resources than any other way of handling them, so I don't see how lack of resources can be blamed here.

If you’re deporting someone, they have to be in custody. They have to deport her to Canada, not Mexico. They likely deal with many other countries and have to arrange for transportation back to all those countries.

I don’t think anyone would have a problem if she was processed promptly and quickly deported or if the confinement accommodations were nicer. That’s purely a resources problem.

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Post by defrost »

codexb wrote: post #757
TheCoelacanth wrote: post #594

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Imprisoning someone takes far more resources than any other way of handling them, so I don't see how lack of resources can be blamed here.

If you’re deporting someone, they have to be in custody. They have to deport her to Canada, not Mexico. They likely deal with many other countries and have to arrange for transportation back to all those countries. I don’t think anyone would have a problem if she was processed promptly and quickly deported or if the confinement accommodations were nicer. That’s purely a resources problem.

> They have to deport her to Canada, not Mexico.

In theory and past practice, perhaps.

Currently the USofA is comfortable deporting Venezuelans to El Salvador with no trial or other due process.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz032xjyyzyo

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by diggan »

hartator wrote: post #755
diggan wrote: post #552

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I dunno, if we start making up things like "She said she isn't a criminal, but what if she actually launders money" and not take the article for what it says, what's the point of discussing all of this at all?

This immigration employee did decide to classify this enriched hemp as a controlled substance, yes. This doesn’t a crazy out of line interpretation of that 3% THC rule that seems like a legal hoop-hole, but it is just of the lack of enforcement of the law by other branches of the government that makes feel this way. It means to be accidental THC not laboratory enriched THC. Which is obviously the case here.

> This immigration employee did decide to classify this enriched hemp as a controlled substance, yes.

As far as I can tell, the submission article doesn't mention THC at all, and the only time hemp is mentioned is in this context:

> He claimed I also couldn’t work for a company in the US that made use of hemp – one of the beverage ingredients. He revoked my visa, and told me I could still work for the company from Canada, but if I wanted to return to the US, I would need to reapply.

Seems he was OK with the hemp, he was just not OK with the part where there was a Canadian working with a US company that used hemp.

Where are you getting the part that this individual chose to classify some hemp as cannabis from? Wouldn't he try to alert some of his boss in that case, rather than take back this woman's visa?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by codexb »

defrost wrote: post #758
codexb wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re deporting someone, they have to be in custody. They have to deport her to Canada, not Mexico. They likely deal with many other countries and have to arrange for transportation back to all those countries. I don’t think anyone would have a problem if she was processed promptly and quickly deported or if the confinement accommodations were nicer. That’s purely a resources problem.

> They have to deport her to Canada, not Mexico. In theory and past practice, perhaps. Currently the USofA is comfortable deporting Venezuelans to El Salvador with no trial or other due process. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz032xjyyzyo

Venezuela has historically not cooperated with deportations. They also actively send their criminals to the US.
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