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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by TheDong »

JaggerJo wrote: post #572

In Europe Apple was forced to allow side loading + alternative app stores. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/117767 Might be possible to do more (like call private apis) when apps don't need to pass app review.

"side loading" in the EU still requires you to have your app reviewed and notarized by apple, which means you can't call private APIs.

You also still need to pay $100/year developer fee for your app to continue to be side-loadable (otherwise they revoke the notarization), and need to pay the €0.50 "core technology fee" per side-load to apple after a free allowance of side-loads.

I doubt it's going to help pebble since they'll have to pay more for users to side-load the app than to install it from the app store.

https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #268

I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

I thought this community is security over convenience? 12 years ago my iMessage got hacked. Someone was sending messages from my name to my relative. My password was secured and there were no ways I thought it would get hacked but there it is.

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Post by hayleox »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #648
lynx97 wrote: post #448

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I probably dont get your sarcasm. But I never had a problem with Lightning. In the long run, I like the switch to USB-C... But when I got my first iPhone, USB-C wasn't invented yet, so... Also, I like the AppStore for its reviews, and would actually NEVER activate an alternative appstore. No need to weaken my security on purpose. I know, its apparently an unpopular opinion here, but that is mostly because many people…

Yup, Apple made Lightning because USB-C wasn't a thing yet and MicroUSB is awful. Lightning is a whole lot better than MicroUSB, and they've been using it since 2012 . MiniUSB B was pretty OK, Micro was just way too thin to be stable and would snap off frequently, in addition to being not very secure and hard to orient. Mini was thicker though, so while it worked fine for the HTC Apache and other Windows Mobile phone…

I have no issue with Apple inventing a new, superior connector; I applaud them for it. My issue is with them making it a closed proprietary standard with authentication chips to lock out unapproved third-party vendors. They could have just invented Lightning and made it an open standard. We might not have even needed USB-C then; the industry could have just iterated upon Lightning.

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Post by realusername »

kulahan wrote: post #598
bigyabai wrote: post #441

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You can thank Apple for the Lightning connector and App Store too, for all the good it does everyone in the EU. If a company uses their power to prevent competition with their own products or services, the market's jurisdiction reserves the right to restore competition to their market and prevent the harms inherent to monopoly abuse.

Walled gardens are not inherently bad. I DO thank Apple for the App Store. It’s half the reason I have an iPhone. I WANT to be able to download any stupid thing in there without a care in the world re: viruses or other damaging experiences. This is not to say every aspect of their walled garden is good, but I’m more than happy to accept those problems in light of the benefits I personally value. This is all to say: i…

> I WANT to be able to download any stupid thing in there without a care in the world re: viruses or other damaging experiences

That's rich knowing that most of the money Apple gets from the Appstore is made from predatory casino-like games

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Post by seam_carver »

stouset wrote: post #640
mistercheph wrote: post #466

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You never needed speeds in excess of usb 2.0? LOL, this is such old hat, guys in IBM t-shirts telling me how nobody ever needed more than 64K, and why go third party with your treasured computation when you can get the best, the infallible, the International Business Machine?

Apple didn't continue to iterate on Lightning because of the obvious future migration to USB-C connectors. I will die on the hill that the Lightning plug is superior to the USB-C plug . Lightning could some day have supported USB-3.2+ speeds, if they'd chosen to work further on it. Still, I have never once transferred data to my iPhone over a USB cable. I have used an iPhone since the first generation. For me, it has…

Some iPad Pros used USB3 lightning that used pins on both side of the lightning cable.

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Post by worthless-trash »

wokwokwok wrote: post #726
smaudet wrote: post #718

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As a user, I'm not certain I completely agree. Yes, I don't want apps accessing my messages surreptitiously. Points there. However, what's wrong with allowing another app to post messages to my messages? If I don't want it, let me turn them off. Maybe, as a UI expert company, it's easy "block app from sending me messages" when I get a message. Seems like something that should be fairly transparent to the (potentially…

> However, what's wrong with allowing another app to post messages to my messages? > If I don't want it, let me turn them off. Can you it off for anyone sending you messages too? That's the issue; you not wanting to use it does not mean that spammers won't use it. That's the problem. You can't have nice things if some people can use it to abuse the system; and there are a lot of people who will. > But my point is thi…

Except if you want pebble an iphone, thats the loss.

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Post by TylerE »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #708
seanp2k2 wrote: post #648

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Yup, Apple made Lightning because USB-C wasn't a thing yet and MicroUSB is awful. Lightning is a whole lot better than MicroUSB, and they've been using it since 2012 . MiniUSB B was pretty OK, Micro was just way too thin to be stable and would snap off frequently, in addition to being not very secure and hard to orient. Mini was thicker though, so while it worked fine for the HTC Apache and other Windows Mobile phone…

MicroUSB is fine, and Apple should've just used that (like every other phone manufacturer did, with great success). But Apple also has the world's biggest NIH complex, so they decided to invent a proprietary standard rather than go with something interoperable.

MicroUSB was absolutely not fine. The connectors were difficult to insert and very vulnerable to damage.

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Post by moron4hire »

fastball wrote: post #748
ethbr1 wrote: post #713

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Exactly. It's amazing how often the nuance between may and must is missed by Apple fans. Apple should be able to lock down their ecosystem as a default -- plenty of people will be happy to use that default experience. But Apple should absolutely be prohibited from not allowing users the choice of unlocking their own device, for additional functionality, if they choose. It's also glaringly obvious that many of the "fr…

Not sure you understand the argument. If you allow people the ability to access iMessage however they want, how do you prevent iMessage spam? You may not care about this, but a lot of people do.

How do you prevent iMessage spam, indeed? Because it's not being prevented right now.

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Post by umbra07 »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #597
timwis wrote: post #548

I degoogled my life out of principle—that one was about privacy. I feel strongly about this one too (in fact I just migrated from kindle to kobo for similar reasons), but where else is there to go? Some rooted android phone with Google play services disabled, where lots of apps aren't available and it's a struggle to get everything to work? (Genuine question!)

An answer with a catch: I ran rooted android phones for a long time, but have for the past few years been on GrapheneOS, which doesn't require Google Play, but allows you to use it while sandboxing it (so, harm reduction), and it's much less of a struggle now than it used to be. The catch is that, at least currently, GrapheneOS only works on (Google) Pixel phones. [On Kobos:— I agree on Kobo vs Kindle, and like Kobos…

My Kindle Paperwhite 5th gen is rooted and runs KOReader.

It's not a great solution - you still have very little freedom, Amazon frequently patches root methods - and you might be waiting months for someone to find a working root method, and if you accidentally update - bye bye, root/KOReader.

But it is a solution.

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Post by umbra07 »

joshstrange wrote: post #298
matheusmoreira wrote: post #161

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> Other then being lazy, which is totally ok. It's not OK. This collective laziness and convenience is our number one enemy. People don't want to be responsible, they want some corporation to manage everything so they don't have to think about stuff. We need more people to take responsibility and use Linux and free software and hardware. Owning the computing system means being responsible for it, and we need to get p…

This is such an incredibly HN take. What are you seeing in the world that would led you to think the average Joe can use Linux without someone like us supporting them? Maybe not day to day but they are absolutely going to run into pain points like “Netflix is low quality” or “I need to install this windows app for this new gizmo I bought”. It’s a fantasy world that Linux desktop is good enough for most people, it jus…

> Maybe not day to day but they are absolutely going to run into pain points like “Netflix is low quality” or “I need to install this windows app for this new gizmo I bought”.

The average Joe also faces pain points on Windows.

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