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this is a better world. we can work a few hours a week and play tennis, golf, and argue politics with our friends and family over some good cheese and wine while the bots do the deployments.
We're already there in terms of productivity. The problem is the inordinate number of people doing nothing useful yet extracting huge amounts. Think most of finance for example.
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like someone said above. demand is infinite. imagine a world where the local AI/Engineer tech is a ubiquitous as the uber driver. don't think it will necessarily create smaller paychecks. hard to say. But I see demand skyrocketing for customized software that can be provided at 1/10 of today's costs. We are far away from that though. As an enterprise software/data engineer, AI has been great in answering questions an…
I'm not at all convinced demand is infinite, nor that this demand will result in employment. This feels like begging the question. This is precisely what I fear won't happen! Also, I don't want to be a glorified uber driver. It's not good for me and not good for the profession. > As an enterprise software/data engineer, AI has been great in answering questions and generating tactical code for me. Hours have turned in…
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> AI won't scrub a toilet, but it will cheaply and inexhaustibly do every job that humans find meaningful today That's the part I really don't believe. I'm open to being wrong about this, the risk is probably large enough to warrant considering it even if the probability of this happening is low, but I do think it's quite low. We don't actually have to build artificial humans. It's very difficult and very far away. I…
To be clear, I'm much more concerned about the rise of techo-authoritarianism than employment. And further ahead, where I said your original take might not age well; I'm also not worried about AI making humanoid bodies. I'd be worried about a future where mines, factories, and logistics are fully automated: an AI for whom we've constructed a body which is effectively the entire planet . And nobody needs to set out to…
I think we're talking about different time scales - I'm talking about the next few, maybe two or three decades, essential the future of our generation specifically. I don't think what you're describing is relevant on that time scale, and possibly you don't either.
I'd add though that I feel like your dystopian scenario probably reduces to a Marxist dystopia where a big monopolist controls everything.
In other words, I'm not sure whether that Earth-spanning autonomous system really needs to be an AI or requires the development of AI or fancy new technology in general.
In practice, monopolies like that haven't emerged due to competition and regulation, and there isn't a good reason to assume it would be different with AI either.
In other words, the enemies of that autonomous system would have very fancy tech available to fight it, too.
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To be clear, I'm much more concerned about the rise of techo-authoritarianism than employment. And further ahead, where I said your original take might not age well; I'm also not worried about AI making humanoid bodies. I'd be worried about a future where mines, factories, and logistics are fully automated: an AI for whom we've constructed a body which is effectively the entire planet . And nobody needs to set out to…
Yes, okay. I think we're talking about different time scales - I'm talking about the next few, maybe two or three decades, essential the future of our generation specifically. I don't think what you're describing is relevant on that time scale, and possibly you don't either. I'd add though that I feel like your dystopian scenario probably reduces to a Marxist dystopia where a big monopolist controls everything. In ot…
And while I want to agree that we won't see this happen in the next 3 decades, networked automated cars have already been deployed on the street of several cities and people are eagerly integrating LLMs into what seems to be any project that needs funding.
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Yes, okay. I think we're talking about different time scales - I'm talking about the next few, maybe two or three decades, essential the future of our generation specifically. I don't think what you're describing is relevant on that time scale, and possibly you don't either. I'd add though that I feel like your dystopian scenario probably reduces to a Marxist dystopia where a big monopolist controls everything. In ot…
I'm not fussy about who's in control. Be it global or national; corporate or governmental; communist or fascist. But technology progresses more or less uniformly across the globe and systems are increasingly interconnected. An AGI, or even a poor simulacrum cobbled together from LLMs with internet access, can eventually hack anything that isn't airgapped. Even if it doesn't have "thoughts" or "wants" or "needs" in so…
But it seems to me like you might not be sufficiently taking into account that this is an adversarial game; i.e. it's not sufficient for something just to replicate, it needs to also out-compete everything else decisively.
It's not clear at all to me why an AI controlled by humans, to the benefit of humans, would be at a disadvantage to an AI working against our benefit.
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I'm not fussy about who's in control. Be it global or national; corporate or governmental; communist or fascist. But technology progresses more or less uniformly across the globe and systems are increasingly interconnected. An AGI, or even a poor simulacrum cobbled together from LLMs with internet access, can eventually hack anything that isn't airgapped. Even if it doesn't have "thoughts" or "wants" or "needs" in so…
It's tempting to speculate about what might happen in the very long run. And different from the jobs question, I don't really have strong opinions on this. But it seems to me like you might not be sufficiently taking into account that this is an adversarial game; i.e. it's not sufficient for something just to replicate, it needs to also out-compete everything else decisively. It's not clear at all to me why an AI con…
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maybe the developers are just tired of this childish game and decided to block interactions like this in place of creating news headlines? Garbage in, garbage out. DeepSeek is more efficient but even more efficient is to not waste computing.
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but fair enough - was not aware of rules that have expressively pointed what is not accepted
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that was not meant as insult, but as a means to inquire from where people are coming, as I can understand the side that dislike CCP, but not very clear from where other side is coming, as I can have the same arguments but at the end of the day it is still uncertainity but fair enough - was not aware of rules that have expressively pointed what is not accepted
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I tried something related today with Claude, who'd messed up a certain visualization of entropies using JS: I snapped a phone photo and said 'behold'. The next try was a glitch mess, and I said hey, could you get your JS to capture the canvas as an image and then just look at the image yourself? Claude could indeed, and successfully debugged zir own code that way with no more guidance. This was all in the default web…
Holy shit.