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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by lenerdenator »

mattlutze wrote: post #726
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

We keep saying people like him shouldn't be involved in certain ventures, and yet, they still are. More than ever, actually.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by bayindirh »

siva7 wrote: post #729
mattlutze wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Let's be honest. He isn't wrong. I'd rather live in a society with zero crime than what we have now.

Sorry to break it to you, but oppressing people with cameras to prevent crime will only push the crime to where the cameras aren't.

This makes preventing the crime and protecting people from effects of these crimes extremely difficult.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by pj_mukh »

mattlutze wrote: post #726
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

I don't think we'll ever have a zero-crime society, neither should we aim to be one. But being left to the vagaries of police (and union) politics, culture and the complications of city budgets is clearly broken.

Example: Cities are being presented a false choice between accepting deadly high speed chases vs zero criminal accountability [1], which in the world of drones seems silly [2]

I don't want the police to have unfettered access to surveil any and all citizens but putting camera access behind a court warrant issued by a civilian elected judge doesn't feel that dystopian to me.

Is that what Ellison was alluding to? I have no idea, but we are no longer in a world where we should disregard this prima facie.

[1]: https://www.ktvu.com/news/controversial-oakland-police-pursu...

[2]: https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-poli...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by sesm »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #300

I'm confused and a bit disturbed; honestly having a very difficult time internalizing and processing this information. This announcement is making me wonder if I'm poorly calibrated on the current progress of AI development and the potential path forward. Is the key idea here that current AI development has figured out enough to brute force a path towards AGI? Or I guess the alternative is that they expect to figure…

To me it looks like a strategic investment in data center capacity, which should drive domestic hardware production, improvements in electrical grid, etc. Putting it all under AI label just makes it look more exciting.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by oldpersonintx »

lenerdenator wrote: post #751
mattlutze wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

We keep saying people like him shouldn't be involved in certain ventures, and yet, they still are. More than ever, actually.

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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by skepticATX »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #710
famouswaffles wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There are maybe a few hundred people in the world who viscerally understand what's coming. Most are at DeepMind / OpenAI / Anthropic / X but some are on the outside. You have to be able to forecast the aggregate effect of rapid algorithmic improvement, aggressive investment in building RL environments for iterative self-improvement, and many tens of billions already committed to building data centers. Either we're a…

>Maybe they really are all wrong All? Quite a few of the best minds in the field, like Yann LeCun for example, have been adamant that 1) autoregressive LLMs are NOT the path to AGI and 2) that AGI is very likely NOT just a couple of years away.

You have hit on something that really bothers me about recent AGI discourse. It’s common to claim that “all” researchers agree that AGI is imminent, and yet when you dive into these claims “all” is a subset of researchers that excludes everyone in academia, people like Yann, and others.

So the statement becomes tautological “all researchers who believe that AGI is imminent believe that AGI is imminent”.

And of course, OpenAI and the other labs don’t perform actual science any longer (if science requires some sort of public sharing of information), so they win every disagreement by claiming that if you could only see what they have behind closed doors, you’d become a true believer.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by aswanson »

mattlutze wrote: post #726
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

2025 is shaping up to be When the Villains Win year.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by gizmondo »

wujerry2000 wrote: post #492

For fun, I calculated how this stacks up against other humanity-scale mega projects. Mega Project Rankings (USD Inflation Adjusted) The New Deal: $1T, Interstate Highway System: $618B, OpenAI Stargate: $500B, The Apollo Project: $278B, International Space Station: $180B, South-North Water Transfer: $106B, The Channel Tunnel: $31B, Manhattan Project: $30B Insane Stuff.

Building a lot of compute will likely end up more useful than Apollo & ISS, which were vanity projects.
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