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Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by infecto »

jappgar wrote: post #715
nlehuen wrote: post #660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also work at Google and I agree with the general sentiment that AI completion is not doing engineering per se, simply because writing code is just a small part of engineering. However in my experience the system is much more powerful than you described. Maybe this is because I'm mostly writing C++ for which there is a much bigger training corpus than JavaScript. One thing the system is already pretty good at is wri…

I can guarantee you there is more publicly accessible javascript in the world than C++. Copilot will autocomplete entire functions as well, sometimes without comments or even after just typing "f". It uses your previous edits as context and can assume what you're implementing pretty well.

I can guarantee you that the author was referencing code within Google. That is, their tooling is trained off internal code bases. I am imagining c++ dwarfs javascript.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by avsteele »

Jyaif wrote: post #683
avsteele wrote: post #470

Everyone here is arguing about the average AI code quality and I'm here just not believing the claim. Is Google out there monitoring the IDE activity of every engineer, logging the amount of code created, by what, lines, characters, and how it was generated? Dubious.

> Is Google out there monitoring the IDE activity of every engineer, logging the amount of code created, by what, lines, characters, and how it was generated A good chunk ( ) of their code goes in a centralized repo, and is written via a centralized web IDE. So measuring everything you mentioned is not hard. ( ) Android, Chrome, and other similar projects are exceptions.

How does this allow them to measure the % generated by AI tooling?

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by ktnaWA »

NotAnOtter wrote: post #653
asdfman123 wrote: post #398

I work for Google, and I just got done with my work day. I was just writing I guess what you'd call "AI generated code." But the code completion engine is basically just good at finishing the lines I'm writing. If I'm writing "function getAc..." it's smart enough to complete to "function getActionHandler()", and maybe suggest the correct arguments and a decent jsdoc comment. So basically, it's a helpful productivity…

I also work at google (until last Friday). Agree with what you said. My thoughts are 1. This quote is clearly meant to exaggerate reality, and they are likely including things like fully automated CL/PR's which have been around for a decade as "AI generated". 2. I stated before that if a team of 10 is equally as productive as a team of 8 utilizing things like copilot, it's fair to say "AI replaced 2 engineers", in my…

Thanks, that is how I read the announcement. The powers that be decided that there must be some quota to be fulfilled, and magically that quota was fulfilled.

AI engineers will not yet get a Nobel prize for putting everyone out of work.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by infecto »

amelius wrote: post #614
Maxion wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me it's really goddam satisfying having good autocomplete, especially when you are just writing boilerplate lines of code to get the code into a state where you actually get to work on the fun stuff (ther harder problems).

Also if your code gets sent to someone else's cloud?

I don't care. The vast majority of code written in the private space is garbage and not unique. Products are usually not won because of the code.

Would I send the source of a trading algo or chatgpt to a third party, probably not but those are the outliers. The code for your xyz SAAS does not matter.

I am probably an outlier in that I don't really care what corpus a LLM trains off of. Its its available in the public space, go for it.

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Post by bilekas »

lupire wrote: post #738
jappgar wrote: post #715

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can guarantee you there is more publicly accessible javascript in the world than C++. Copilot will autocomplete entire functions as well, sometimes without comments or even after just typing "f". It uses your previous edits as context and can assume what you're implementing pretty well.

Google does not write much publicly available JavaScript. They wrote their own special flavor. (Same for any hugel legacy operation)

Can we get some more info on what you're reffering to ?

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by KeplerBoy »

redbell wrote: post #722

Wait a second—didn't Google warn its employees against using AI-generated code? ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36399021 ). What had changed?! Has Gemini now surpassed Bard in capabilities? Did they manage to resolve the copyright issues? Or maybe they've noticed a boost in productivity? I'm not sure, but let’s see if other big tech companies would follow this path.

Different audiences.

You tell investors that AI is freaking magic and going to usher in an age of savings and productivity gains.

You tell your developers that it's a neat autocomplete, they should use carefully.

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