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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by rfoo »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #728

It's hard to respond to some of the commentary here. We truly exist mentally on different planets. The West wants Telegram destroyed because the platform permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc). This is in addition to the West not having a backdoor to Telegram and not having it's servers on Western soil. Why do you want you…

If you really want to start a flamewar you can also casually mention the fact that Telegram also gives CCP major headache cause they don't control it and it's actually popular (unlike Signal) in China.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by rfoo »

RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #750
hnpolicestate wrote: post #728

It's hard to respond to some of the commentary here. We truly exist mentally on different planets. The West wants Telegram destroyed because the platform permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc). This is in addition to the West not having a backdoor to Telegram and not having it's servers on Western soil. Why do you want you…

Most of the people I know use Telegram to buy drugs. The main use of Telegram in France is supporting illegal activities. The page allowing you to discover channels in your neighbourhood was clearly designed to facilitate that. Telegram has basically no market share as a chat application here outside of that. You don’t see “the West” whatever that means go after WhatsApp, Signal or Matrix. That should tell you someth…

What prevents people from using Signal or Matrix to distribute drugs, besides serious usability issues?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

rfoo wrote: post #752
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #750

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the people I know use Telegram to buy drugs. The main use of Telegram in France is supporting illegal activities. The page allowing you to discover channels in your neighbourhood was clearly designed to facilitate that. Telegram has basically no market share as a chat application here outside of that. You don’t see “the West” whatever that means go after WhatsApp, Signal or Matrix. That should tell you someth…

What prevents people from using Signal or Matrix to distribute drugs, besides serious usability issues?

Signal or Matrix don’t openly advertise channels next to you selling drugs from directly inside the application. Telegram does.

The “people nearby” feature is literally “find me a dealer close by”.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by volleyball »

roomey wrote: post #108
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Here's the thing, all the politicians use WhatsApp. They actually don't want that backdoored, guaranteed.

WhatsApp's E2E may not be backdoored (maybe), but it is 100% backdoored for metadata and social graph (contacts, group membership, etc.) Example of this : https://scroll.in/article/1044425/how-a-cross-border-love-st...

An even more egregious example : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245 Facebook-Meta and Whatsapp maybe accessories to warcrimes perpetrated on a massive scale.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by nullifidian »

consumer451 wrote: post #444
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not encrypted by default. By default, everything goes through Telegram servers and can be read there.

I have always assumed that Telegram was a Russian op. Any doubts I had were resolved by this event. [0] > Deputy Russian State Duma Speaker Vladislav Davankov said he had sent an appeal to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to seek Durov's release. > "His arrest may be politically motivated and a tool to gain access to the personal information of Telegram users. This must not be allowed," the state-run RIA Novosti news a…

"Vladislav Davankov" is a token "liberal". He's supposed to make such statements. Nothing that is uttered by Duma members is worth any consideration -- it's a complete theater.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #750
hnpolicestate wrote: post #728

It's hard to respond to some of the commentary here. We truly exist mentally on different planets. The West wants Telegram destroyed because the platform permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc). This is in addition to the West not having a backdoor to Telegram and not having it's servers on Western soil. Why do you want you…

Most of the people I know use Telegram to buy drugs. The main use of Telegram in France is supporting illegal activities. The page allowing you to discover channels in your neighbourhood was clearly designed to facilitate that. Telegram has basically no market share as a chat application here outside of that. You don’t see “the West” whatever that means go after WhatsApp, Signal or Matrix. That should tell you someth…

> You don’t see “the West” whatever that means go after WhatsApp, Signal or Matrix. That should tell you something.

WhatsApp is a good corporate puppy of the West; Signal is a crazy nothingburger that recently burned its reputation by going into cryptocurrencies; Matrix, like with all FLOSS, has approximately zero users and is way under the radar of authorities. Still, you do occasionally see talk and moves against the first two.

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Post by baxtr »

kgeist wrote: post #199
baxtr wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you don’t think that there a chance this could be cleverly staged?

Anything is possible, of course. But without evidence, it'd consider it nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

Is there evidence for the other theory?
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