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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by amatecha »

xcv123 wrote: post #727
amatecha wrote: post #724

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally like to know whether the software I use/endorse is developed with broad inclusion in mind. It is a pretty solid indicator of thoughtfully-designed software. A developer assuming, for example (not related to this instance), ~all the users are able-bodied men with perfect vision and motor skills, leads to an inferior product that is guaranteed to alienate people who don't match the "target audience", and t…

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That's funny. If I interacted with toxic trash like you more often that could actually be pretty applicable advice. In this case though, you're just being an asshole, and you can take your BS elsewhere.

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Post by josteink »

sleepycatgirl wrote: post #660
koito17 wrote: post #616

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I think Kling's response to the PR is unprofessional. However, there is no reason to start spamming the issue, after three years. Is that the drama? My conclusion is to continue avoiding sites like X and the so-called "Fediverse".

Ehhh, fediverse is much comfy place. Not without its flaws, but nonetheless comfy. Anyhow, Judging a big place from the actions of few... not exactly reasonable to be honest. But yeah,I think, it resurfaced, partially to recent, well, Ladybird stuff. Things got on the track, and the train went forward...

I haven’t seen one fediverse server not drowned in anime-avatars and furries. Not one.

Hard pass. And that comes from someone who likes open standards, open protocols, decentralized solutions you can host on your own.

For all its flaws, for content and people, X is infinitely more preferable for most people not into fetishes.

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Post by josteink »

xcrjm wrote: post #374
spencerchubb wrote: post #329

Can anyone explain like I'm an idiot concrete reasons how Google Chrome's dominance is bad for the web? Preferably things that have actually happened, not what might happen

It's a web browser built and controlled by an advertising giant in order to serve you monetized pages more quickly. For examples of why this is bad for the user, search FLoC and manifest V3, both of which they try to say are better for the user despite being objectively worse (the latter hobbles web ad blocker extensions and the former is a solution to "reasonable" web ads and user tracking).

To nitpick: extensions using manifest V3 can in some cases allow better control of permissions granted to the extension.

This way the user can feel more secure about the extension not doing things it didn’t advertise.

In those cases I would say that’s genuinely better for the user. Wouldn’t you?

Not all extensions are AdBlock Plus which (as an exception) have very specific needs not covered by manifest V3.

It’s not all black and white. Google is not all in the wrong here, even though their motivation is obvious.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by trustno2 »

Shugyousha wrote: post #672
Ygg2 wrote: post #478

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We're back to good ol' days of "Internet Explorer is the spec". It's just made by Google.

> We're back to good ol' days of "Internet Explorer is the spec". It's just made by Google. and the code (at least a large part of it in the form of Chromium) is Open Source. I don't think it's as bleak as people make it out to be.

Chromium is basically everything important anyway; Chrome is some sprinkle on top (I think some DRM stuff?)

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by rocketvole »

__d wrote: post #739
rocketvole wrote: post #339

excuse my ingnorance, but firefox is also an open source browser afaik. The only advantage that ladybird us is that it turns the duopoly of browser engines into a tri-opoly- so what is the point? Why wouldn't this money be better spent enhancing another browser engine like whatever midori runs on? Why does Ladybird need to exist, and why are so many companies becoming sponsors? Not trying to ruffle feathers, genuinel…

The Firefox browser is built by the Mozilla organization. Mozilla depends upon funding from Google to survive, and over time, has become used to spending lots of money each year (since it arrives "free" from Google). Should Google turn off that tap, Mozilla and Firefox would very likely struggle to survive. So, some people feel that it'd be better to have a viable browser that isn't dependent upon Google.

I don't see how ladybird's funding model is fundamentally different, other than Google isn't funding it. The only difference is that ladybird is in it's infancy and still has time to grow into the corpo-money-dependent organization you describe.

Besides, has ladybird even said that they would reject google money if offered it? Or amazon? or any other large corporation that could seriously stifle the free web?

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Post by dotcoma »

Semaphor wrote: post #741
dotcoma wrote: post #723

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The interface to move them around, create and move folders etc. If I had to use bookmarks on FF, I would simply not use them at all.

I tried the bookmark bar and could find no difference. The bookmark manager for FF seems far more advanced, with Chrome going the simplicity, beauty, and lack of information route. I use bookmarks heavily.

Really ?

Here are bookmarks on FF-based Mullvad Browser

(I stopped using FF proper a long time ago)

https://imgur.com/a/RSy8B2L

Here are bookmarks on Chromium-based Iridium browser

https://imgur.com/a/k2Kwk0I

Where does it look easier to manage bookmarks ?

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Post by jacooper »

daghamm wrote: post #350

For comparison, in 2022 Mozilla had $1.3B in assets and over $500M in revenue: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202... I want ladybird to succeed and show the world how ridiculous the Mozilla situation has been.

Brave already proved this, you don't need to wait for ladybird to prove it.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by Semaphor »

dotcoma wrote: post #757
Semaphor wrote: post #741

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I tried the bookmark bar and could find no difference. The bookmark manager for FF seems far more advanced, with Chrome going the simplicity, beauty, and lack of information route. I use bookmarks heavily.

Really ? Here are bookmarks on FF-based Mullvad Browser (I stopped using FF proper a long time ago) https://imgur.com/a/RSy8B2L Here are bookmarks on Chromium-based Iridium browser https://imgur.com/a/k2Kwk0I Where does it look easier to manage bookmarks ?

As I said, style over substance is indeed what chrome offers. Can’t even see the damn URLs at a glance.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by xcv123 »

amatecha wrote: post #751
xcv123 wrote: post #727

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That's funny. If I interacted with toxic trash like you more often that could actually be pretty applicable advice. In this case though, you're just being an asshole, and you can take your BS elsewhere.

Projection. Look in the mirror and see who is the asshole. You're being an antisocial virtue signalling narcissist. I don't mean it as an insult, it's just an obvious fact. Technically you have some kind of personality disorder. You got flagged for a reason. Everyone else can see it.
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