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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cchance »

TillE wrote: post #643
epolanski wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There was one demo where you could talk to Siri about your mom and it would understand the context because of stuff that she (your mom) had written in one of her emails to you... that's the kind of stuff that I think we all imagined an AI world would look like. I can't but feel all of this super creepy.

We're really just describing an on-device search tool with a much better interface. It's only creepy if you treat it like a person, which Apple is pretty careful not to do too much.

Yep it's an assistant, they didnt add some weird app where you can talk to virtual granny lol

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by tines »

cchance wrote: post #741
Nition wrote: post #655

Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for th…

LOL that image you painstakingly created is also forgotten not long after being given to most people, just because you know the effort that went in doesn't mean the receiving person does 99.9% of the time. Same thing for your kid, the kid likes both stories, gives 0 shit that you used GenAI or sat up for 8 hours trying to figure out the rhyme, those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it.

> those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it

I don't think this is true at all. Love is proportional to cost; if it costs me nothing, then the love it represents is nothing.

When we receive something from someone, we estimate what it cost them based on what we know of them. Until recently, if someone wrote a poem just for us, our estimation of that would often be pretty high because we know approximately what it costs to write a poem.

In modern times, that cost calculation is thrown off, because we don't know whether they wrote it themselves (high cost) or generated it (low/no cost).

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by themadturk »

jspann wrote: post #129

I remain skeptical until I see it in action. On the one hand, Apple has a good track record with privacy and keeping things on device. On the other, there was too much ambiguity around this announcement. What is the threshold for running something in the cloud? How is your personal model used across devices - does that mean it briefly moves to the cloud? How does its usage change across guest modes? Even the phrase "…

I get the sense there's still a lot of work to be done over the next few months, and we may see some feature slippage. The betas will be where we see their words in action, and I'll be staying far away from the betas, which will be a little painful. I think ambiguity works in their favor right now. It's better to underpromise and overdeliver, instead of vice versa.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cchance »

SoftTalker wrote: post #288
davidbarker wrote: post #143

So, if I've got this correct there's: 1. On-device AI 2. AI using Apple's servers 3. AI using ChatGPT/OpenAI's services (and others in the future) Number 1 will pass to number 2 if it thinks it requires the extra processing power, but number 3 will only be invoked with explicit user permission. [Edit: As pointed out below, other providers will be coming eventually.]

I see no real difference between 2 and 3. Once the data has left your device, it has left your device. There is no getting it back and you no longer have any control over it.

#2 is publicaly auditable, 100% apple controlled and apple hardware servers, tied to your personal session (probably via the ondevice encryption), i'd imagine ephemeral docker containers or something similar for requests that just run for each request or some form of Encrypted AI Lambdas.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by l33tman »

doctor_eval wrote: post #681
iLoveOncall wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I remember vividly the comment on Windows Recall that said if the same was done by Apple it would be applauded. Here we are.

At the risk of sounding like an Apple apologist, Apple has a pretty good (though not perfect) track record for privacy and security. Microsoft on the other hand… well, I understand they just pulled the recall feature after it was discovered the data wasn’t even encrypted at rest?!

I don't think the above poster was really referring to who does it, but that it's creepy that you're having a conversation about your mom with your phone to begin with

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by password54321 »

mrkramer wrote: post #343

Is it just me or this AI rush is actually about to ruin user experience both on Apple and Microsoft devices? The extra layer of complexity for users who will now be introduced to endless AI features is bloatware in the making.

Based on what they showed most users won't even know if the feature they are using is using AI or not. Most of it is local and just comes in the form of a button rather than typing out a prompt to make it do what you want. And I think those two are the big things to take away from this. Local means less clunkiness and lag you get from tools like Perplexity or whatever and no 'prompt engineering' means even someone's grandma could immediately start using AI. Apple just doing what Apple does best.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cromka »

cchance wrote: post #741
Nition wrote: post #655

Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for th…

LOL that image you painstakingly created is also forgotten not long after being given to most people, just because you know the effort that went in doesn't mean the receiving person does 99.9% of the time. Same thing for your kid, the kid likes both stories, gives 0 shit that you used GenAI or sat up for 8 hours trying to figure out the rhyme, those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it.

What a cynical take!

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by frereubu »

cchance wrote: post #741
Nition wrote: post #655

Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for th…

LOL that image you painstakingly created is also forgotten not long after being given to most people, just because you know the effort that went in doesn't mean the receiving person does 99.9% of the time. Same thing for your kid, the kid likes both stories, gives 0 shit that you used GenAI or sat up for 8 hours trying to figure out the rhyme, those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it.

I think it would be clear that the picture was drawn for the person - I imagine most people would explicitly say something like "I drew this for you" in the accompanying message. And I don't know what kind of kids you've been hanging around, but my daughter would definitely appreciate a story that I spent some time thinking up rather than "here's something ChatGPT came up with". I guess that assumes you're not going to lie to kids about the AI-generated being yours, but that's another issue entirely.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cchance »

SoftTalker wrote: post #531
solarkraft wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has demonstrated to be relatively trustworthy about privacy while most AI companies have demonstrated the opposite, so I do see a significant difference.

Google was considered very cool and trustworthy at one point also. "Do no evil" and all that.

No they never were, they were "do no evil" but at the exact same time everyone knew they were an advertising company and most people in the field could see where it was heading eventually, or at least i'd hope.

Apples motives are different, selling premium hardware and MORE premium hardware, they wouldn't dare fuck that up, their nestegg is hardware and slowly more services tied to said hardware ecosystem (icloud subs, tv subs etc). Hence the privacy makes sense to pull people into the ecosystem.

Google... everything google does even phones, is for more data gathering for their advertising revenue.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by runeb »

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

I share your frustration on services that won’t let you automate them, but to me that’s precisely what generative AI will let you do. You don’t need an API at the family doctors to have AI automate it for you. It just rings them up and sorts it out at your command. AI is like obtaining an API to anything
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