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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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This is plausible, Elon is a fantastic recruiter and he recruited Ilya for OpenAI. There are reports of xAI buying enormous numbers of GPUs and Elon's level of control of his companies means that Ilya recklessness isn't an issue. It's a match. Probably the best match possible.

Seems like Elon recklessness is an issue since he's a drug addict who's only started an AI company because he thought the other ones weren't racist enough.

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> How come the goal posts for AGI are always the best of what people can do? Not the best, I just want it to be able to do what average professionals can do because average humans can become average professionals in most fields. > I can't diagnose anyone, yet I have GI. You can learn to, an AGI system should be able to learn to as well. And since we can copy AGI learning it means that if it hasn't learned to diagnose…

People with severe Alzheimer's cannot learn, but still have general intelligence.

If they can't learn then they don't have general intelligence, without learning there are many problems you wont be able to solve that average (or even very dumb) people can solve.

Learning is a core part to general intelligence, as general intelligence implies you can learn about new problems so you can solve those. Take away that and you are no longer a general problem solver.

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Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

AI has now evolved beyond just the science and it's biggest issue is in the productization. Finding use cases for what's already available ALONG with new models will be where success lies. ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI and as such needs to learn what it's selling, not how its technology works. It always sucks when mission and vision don't align with the nerds ideas, but I think it's probably the best move for b…

Agree in general. While there remains issues on making/using AI, there is plenty of utility that doesn't require new science but maturation of deployment. For those who say its junk, I can only speak for myself and disagree.

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> a large grain of salt You mean a lump of salt? I've always wondered what the right word is to describe this amount of salt /!jk

I've been offered a "lump" of sugar before, and it was not a single sugar crystal. When I hear "large grain of salt" I imagine something like this https://crystalverse.com/sodium-chloride-crystals/ , quite different than a lump.

That is absolutely brillant and will make a fantastic week-long father-daughter science project. Thanks.

Now back to figuring out something new for a 6-year old to program using Scratch...

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Assuming embedded AI in every piece of robotics - sometimes directly, sometimes connected to a central server (this is doable even today) - it'll revolutionize industries: human-less mining, processing, manufacturing, services, and transportation. These factories would eventually produce and install enough solar power or build sufficient nuclear plants and energy infrastructure, making energy clean and free. With abu…

Having more energy is intrinsically dangerous, though, because it's indiscriminate: more energy cannot enable bigger solutions without also enabling bigger problems. Energy is the limiting factor to how much damage we can do. If we have way more of it, all bets are off. For instance, the current issue may be that we are indirectly cooking the planet through CO2 emissions, so capturing that sounds like a good idea. Bu…

This exactly. Every self replicating organism will eventually use all the energy available to it, there will never be an abundance. From the dawn of time, mankind has similarly used every bit of energy it generates. From the perspective of a subsistence farmer in the 1600s, if you told them how much energy would be available in 400s year they would think we surely must live in paradise with no labor. Here we are, still metaphorically tilling the land.

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Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show. I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

Jakub Pachocki is taking over as chief scientist. https://analyticsindiamag.com/meet-jakub-pachocki-openais-ne...

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

AI has now evolved beyond just the science and it's biggest issue is in the productization. Finding use cases for what's already available ALONG with new models will be where success lies. ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI and as such needs to learn what it's selling, not how its technology works. It always sucks when mission and vision don't align with the nerds ideas, but I think it's probably the best move for b…

> ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI

Not for long. They have no moat. Folks who did the science are now doing science for some other company, and will blow the pants off OpenAI.

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The market thinks Tesla is worth more than all other automakers combined, that GameStop is a reasonable investment, and laying off engineers is great!

Because Tesla is. Unlike the traditional automakers that have no room of growth and in a perpetual stagnation, Tesla has potential being a partially automative and partially tech industry. They can even have their own mobile phones if they want to. Or robots and stuff. What Mercedes, Porsche, Audi can do aside continue to produce the cars over and over again until they are overtaken by somebody else? Hell, both EU an…

Not quite. Tesla has a high valuation mostly because traditional auto carries an enormous amount of debt on their balance sheets. I think Tesla is one economic downturn in a high interest rate environment from meeting the same fate. Once an auto company is loaded with debt, they get stuck in a low margin cycle where the little profit they make has to go into new debt for retooling and factories. Tesla is very much still coasting from zero interest rate free VC money times.

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Do you believe the average human has general intelligence, and do you believe the average human can intellectually achieve these things in ways existing technology cannot?

Yes, considering that AI operates differently from human minds, there are several advantages: AI does not experience fatigue or distractions => consistent performance. AI can scale its processing power significantly, despite the challenges associated with it (I understand the challenges) AI can ingest and process new information at an extraordinary speed. AIs can rewrite themselves AIs can be multiplicated (solving s…

The first AGI will probably take way too much compute to have a significant effect, unless there is a revolution in architecture that gets us fast and cheap AGI at once the AGI revolution will be very slow and gradual.

A model that is as good as an average human but costs $10 000 per effective manhour to run is not very useful, but it is still an AGI.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Why do people treat these technologists doing career moves, as if this was lineup changes in a major league sports teams?

Are these "first name" (ugh) "influencers" smart? Sure.

Smart is not that rare. These people are technologists like most of you, they aren't notably smarter, they just got lucky in their career direction and specialization. They aren't business geniuses.

They're just people filling roles.

Do changes in leadership affect a business? Sure? I guess? About 5% as much as you'd think from the tea-spilling gossip-rag chatter around AI people.

Enough already. Attend to the technology. Attend to the actual work. The number of you who are professionally impacted by these people changing paychecks is closer to zero than 50%.

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