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Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by lionkor »

Not personally interested in an OS from Meta - the only thing I use from Meta is WhatsApp, and that's just because it is difficult to replace here in central Europe.

I don't get excited about new OSs unless they're FOSS. It sounds like an ideological take, but it's not: When an OS is not FOSS, they either succumb to the wrong incentives and lack of care (Windows) or just become a walled garden (MacOS). From what I've seen from, say, Visual Studio Code (FOSS version), or Chromium, or other such projects, is that a large company open-sourcing the core of their product can only yield positives over the alternative (fully closed) solution.

Fully FOSS would be sick, partially would be useful. Closed and ad-ridden, driven by wrong incentives and run by a company with zero sense for privacy (see their Facebook product) and a love for hype (see their AI and Metaverse products that just about nobody wanted?), I don't see this becoming very popular.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by vel0city »

imagineerschool wrote: post #688
williamcotton wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t agree with this take. Is this a command or an opinion that left out the subject of the sentence?

'take' as in 'hot take' intended meaning : 'I disagree with your assessment and conclusions'

While the pedantry is whatever to me, they're not misunderstanding the usage of "take" they're pointing out the missing subject of "I". Leaving out the "I" like this turns the sentence from describing a personal opinion to commanding someone else to have that opinion.

I put the pan on the stove.

Put the pan on the stove.

I talk to your brother.

Talk to your brother.

Leaving out the "I" changes the meaning of the sentence here. "I disagree with x" means something else entirely than "Disagree with x."

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by tfandango »

brink wrote: post #149

This all looks incredibly lonely.

I think it all depends on context. It is lonely if you are the type of person who wants to interact physically. I work at home, and it can get kind of lonely here physically but there are some guys on Horizon I chat with from time to time as a break from work, in that sense it's the opposite of lonely.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by tfandango »

esskay wrote: post #722
marcus_holmes wrote: post #717

Has anyone actually tried the Metaverse yet? As I understood it, this was basically a massively expensive failed experiment so far. No-one is using it for reals (yet?). Who's the market for developing apps for it?

Tried it, was very unimpressed, it feels very much like a tech demo even as recent as this year. Certainly wouldn't waste my money on it.

It is really hard to find a "world" that has people in it, that you actually want to talk to. I have had some great experiences there though, some regular people that hang out in worlds and talk about stuff. It's kind of cool when it happens but it is hit and miss. And there is something missing with the kinds of things you can do, Super Rumble feels like a real game, but most worlds are aesthetic in nature, a place to sit and look at stuff. It feels like it needs to mature.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by pjmlp »

boomlinde wrote: post #744
pjmlp wrote: post #719

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open like this? https://www.opengroup.org/membership

Yes, open like that. I thought we'd already established the sense in which Open Group is open, but you still haven't addressed the question how Meta is open in the same sense.

Just like a Open Group membership, it is open to the set of self selected partners.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by Closi »

bonton89 wrote: post #334
pavlov wrote: post #145

Shades of Apple licensing the Mac OS to clone hardware vendors in 1995 - 1997. It seems like Meta will be controlling the software experience quite closely, just like Apple did back in the day. There’s an important difference though: Apple made all their money on Mac hardware margins which the nimble clone vendors could undercut. Whereas for Meta, the Quest hardware has always been sold at breakeven or even as a loss…

> So there’s no kind of existential danger to Quest here, but it remains to be seen if the hardware licensees can bring anything relevant to the table either. Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

> Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

Because you want to expand your market.

Let's say you are Pimax or Bigscreen Beyond and want to target users who don't have large gaming PC's - this is an obvious option for them.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by _akhe »

forgotmypwlol wrote: post #715
_akhe wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree with you there! I don't particularly love Facebook and haven't even used it since 2009, but I can't deny how world-changing React has been for not only front-end (in terms of state management etc.) but also for building cross-platform native UIs on various platforms like TVs and mobile devices - and being able to do it with a (mostly) common codebase. I probably would have never built for iOS if I had to use Xc…

If you use Expo, you don’t even have to do that.

Expo was amazing for my first foray into React Native (https://github.com/bennyschmidt/daily-tarot)

I eventually ran into some limitations (accessing Camera Roll back then, also in-app purchases back then) that forced me to have to use more native stuff. I bet it's come a long way though since then.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by talldayo »

simondotau wrote: post #721
wraptile wrote: post #720

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never had my phone or tech device stolen in general. This anti theft stuff is a red herring or a distraction from real societal issues. Something along the lines of "sell us your rights and the device that doesn't really belong to you will not be stolen from us, I mean you."

I'm glad to hear you've never had anything stolen and aren't planning to have anything stolen in the future. That's a great plan and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it myself. Oh and here's a great money saving tip: if you've never been in a car accident, don't waste your money on car insurance. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from Apple. I do buy Apple products fully aware of the relationship I'm enteri…

Hopefully you don't get that upset when dozens of Apple's "features" are considered illegally anticompetitive and they're either forced to stop selling you products or change.

Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by sharkjacobs »

lionkor wrote: post #751

Not personally interested in an OS from Meta - the only thing I use from Meta is WhatsApp, and that's just because it is difficult to replace here in central Europe. I don't get excited about new OSs unless they're FOSS. It sounds like an ideological take, but it's not: When an OS is not FOSS, they either succumb to the wrong incentives and lack of care (Windows) or just become a walled garden (MacOS). From what I've…

I know this is totally tangential to what you're saying and irrelevant to your point but I'm curious. I'm pretty up on MacOS and Linux, not so much on Windows. Is Windows less of a walled garden than MacOS?
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