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Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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Re: Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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Lol. "My useful life is over," he says. As if there was anything useful about setting up a fraudulent exchange to steal billions of dollars so he could go play animal house with Caroline in his penthouse.

Regardless of fraud, he donated a lot of money, some to noble causes. This is useful, even of it was not his money.

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Everyone has only 1 life, imprisonment of a life is one of the ultimate forms of torturing. This basically is killing his most meaningful years away. I can only agree this form of imprisonment for murderers, rapists, ones who physically and mentally hurt people with permanent losses. Ones can argue that he mentally & physically hurt others, but we need evidence. We should have a better system to force these individua…

This type of imprisonment is just as much to scare other people as it is to punish him. Repaying the people he stole from is also required here, but that has no meaning as a deterrent.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTX was one of the biggest frauds in history.. and you're showing us averages. Madoff received a 150 year sentence, and that was with leniency for pleading guilty.

Propotional to the size of Madoff's ponzi, SBFs sentence is heavy.

Again, Madoff plead guilty. Has SBF shown any (real) remorse or taken responsibility?

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTX was one of the biggest frauds in history.. and you're showing us averages. Madoff received a 150 year sentence, and that was with leniency for pleading guilty.

I don't think there's any way to reasonable describe a life sentence as lenient, unless one was facing the death penalty.

It's pretty lenient in Canada. Child rapist murderers can apply for day parole in ten years (where yes, they let them scuttle off into society unattended) and permeant parole in 25 years. Families are continually retraumatized every few years in that system by having to beg parole boards to not let out the freak that stalked, kidnapped, raped, killed and dismembered their daughter or mother. They never get to move on.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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post #750

Everyone has only 1 life, imprisonment of a life is one of the ultimate forms of torturing. This basically is killing his most meaningful years away. I can only agree this form of imprisonment for murderers, rapists, ones who physically and mentally hurt people with permanent losses. Ones can argue that he mentally & physically hurt others, but we need evidence. We should have a better system to force these individua…

Personally, I think we should offer prisoners corporal punishment alternatives. Flogging every six months for ten years, plus fines, plus community service, plus you can't handle investors money or be in the c-suite or start a company, and you pay double taxes seems fair to me.

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The article is followed at this moment with an article titled “SBF’s Parents are Heartbroken” with a picture of his parents where both are unhappy, outside in the rain under umbrellas.

I wonder if they considered their role? I haven’t seen anyone accuse SBF of being a psychopath; given that, how does a person become so ethically bankrupt? A: His parents failed to do their job of ensuring that he developed a conscience.

SBF’s actions are his own; but he would never have gotten to where he ended up if they had done their job.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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post #750

Everyone has only 1 life, imprisonment of a life is one of the ultimate forms of torturing. This basically is killing his most meaningful years away. I can only agree this form of imprisonment for murderers, rapists, ones who physically and mentally hurt people with permanent losses. Ones can argue that he mentally & physically hurt others, but we need evidence. We should have a better system to force these individua…

This type of imprisonment is just as much to scare other people as it is to punish him. Repaying the people he stole from is also required here, but that has no meaning as a deterrent.

Imagining how much more value he could produce and even pay back if he's not imprisoned.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given that the risk of repeat offense is low, I just don't see the point of these sentences. Is it? Did he even admit to criminal wrong doing? The article thinks otherwise: > Judge Lewis Kaplan, just before announcing Bankman-Fried's 25-year sentence, said there was a risk "that this man will be in a position to do something very bad in the future, and it's not a trivial risk." > Bankman-Fried acknowledged his mist…

His likelihood of re-offending is low because he now has a near universally bad reputation and so is much less likely to be trusted with other people's money in the first place. Whether that means he should have a shorter sentence depends on the purpose of criminal sentences. If the purpose is punishment or deterrence, re-offense probability isn't as relevant, but if it is merely to protect others while he is put awa…

Adam Neumann _should_ have an atrocious reputation given how he treats other people's money but VCs seem happy to fund his new adventures (presumably assuming they can still make money on the way up before the bust).

There would no doubt be people happy to give SBF the funds to go fleece a whole new herd of victims on the off chance he got away with it enough to make the number go up.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison

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post #750

Everyone has only 1 life, imprisonment of a life is one of the ultimate forms of torturing. This basically is killing his most meaningful years away. I can only agree this form of imprisonment for murderers, rapists, ones who physically and mentally hurt people with permanent losses. Ones can argue that he mentally & physically hurt others, but we need evidence. We should have a better system to force these individua…

Without the swift promise of decades in prison, what prevents the "next SBF" from committing similar crimes and causing similar damage?

> Everyone has only 1 life

Doesn't that make imprisonment (the ultimate time penalty) one of the fairest, most equitable punishments there is?

> We should have a better system to force these individuals to pay back or make up the losses.

As you say, he'll never be able to pay it back. The state can't force him to pursue high-paying work, and he goes unpunished in the meantime?

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post #756

The article is followed at this moment with an article titled “SBF’s Parents are Heartbroken” with a picture of his parents where both are unhappy, outside in the rain under umbrellas. I wonder if they considered their role? I haven’t seen anyone accuse SBF of being a psychopath; given that, how does a person become so ethically bankrupt? A: His parents failed to do their job of ensuring that he developed a conscienc…

Not only that but his parents were actively involved in FTX and profited greatly from it[0].

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/09/24/sam-b...

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