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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by lozenge »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #691
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #682

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual problem seems to be that a large number entities now want a full copy of the entire site. But why not just... provide it? Charge however much for a box of hard drives containing every publicly-available tweet, mailed to the address of buyer's choosing. Then the startups get their stupid tweets and you don't have any load problems on your servers.

What do you even charge for that? We might never make a repository of human made content with no Ai postings in it ever again. Seems like selling the golden goose to me

Do you think twitter has no AI postings?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by realusername »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #683
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

It's not like Twitter is compensating tweet authors either. For using art the debate is still opened in my opinion even if I'm personally not in favor of it but I don't see how those platforms built on user made content (even more of a clear cut than AI) can have a say on this

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Post by pavlov »

Hopefully this marks the end of posting direct tweet links to HN.

I’ve been avoiding clicking Twitter links, and it’s frustrating to see them on the HN front page but then having to infer the content from comments.

Maybe HN could even have a “Submit a microblog link” feature for that kind of content?

When submitting a microblog link, there would be a small text box where you could copy the content of the tweet/whatever. This should be fair use as a quotation (but IANAL). It could be an important archival feature for situations like the current one, where all past HN submissions that point to Twitter are suddenly behind a login wall.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by choppaface »

throw2022110401 wrote: post #747
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

That's Musk-speak. Translation: "we broke shit again and need to shed load to keep the site up." I wish it would stays that way though so that I wouldn't land on the site by accident.

Less likely the reason is technical / cost of service (which is very cheap) and more likely he is trying to exercise leverage in pursuit of monetizing engagement (which had already happened [1] ). It’s not that he broke the website’s tech but rather he broke the website’s business.

[1] https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/twitter-pays-goog...

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by tlonny »

8note wrote: post #382
Terr_ wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY , even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. Instead, it feels like the current Fediverse demands that I make a blind choice to entrust not merely a copy of my content but also my whol…

This sounds like you want to self host, then federate with instances?

I'm not too clued in with how federation works - but is this practical?

Doesn't federation require admins of both instances to agree to federate?

If so, I could imagine it not scaling for larger instances that could receive 100+ federation requests a day.

Further, you would have to repeat this step each time to encountered a new instance you wished to participate on.

Is my understanding of the federation process correct or have I totally missed the mark? :D

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by lljk_kennedy »

syspec wrote: post #722
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Is twitter worth scraping though for AI? I mean, Reddit I get, but twitter content has suuuuch a low signal to noise ratio.

Metadata is probably more interesting than the raw content.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by cwillu »

pavlov wrote: post #753

Hopefully this marks the end of posting direct tweet links to HN. I’ve been avoiding clicking Twitter links, and it’s frustrating to see them on the HN front page but then having to infer the content from comments. Maybe HN could even have a “Submit a microblog link” feature for that kind of content? When submitting a microblog link, there would be a small text box where you could copy the content of the tweet/whatev…

The worst is twitter links which are a broken summary

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by cwillu »

cwillu wrote: post #757
pavlov wrote: post #753

Hopefully this marks the end of posting direct tweet links to HN. I’ve been avoiding clicking Twitter links, and it’s frustrating to see them on the HN front page but then having to infer the content from comments. Maybe HN could even have a “Submit a microblog link” feature for that kind of content? When submitting a microblog link, there would be a small text box where you could copy the content of the tweet/whatev…

The worst is twitter links which are a broken summary

of an interesting concept, briefly explained

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by croes »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #683
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

But is Twitter a good source for AIs?
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