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Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by tpmoney »

emoII wrote: post #64

"The kids are playing, better record a spacial moment" was one of the most dystopic things I've seen in a long time. Same with the ad at the end, with the father wearing it around his kids. I feel like the interface demands strapping something this futuristic over your head is just... wrong. Perhaps a few years of refining the tech can lead to something that feels more natural

While that was an initial reaction for me too, it's also really just a reaction to different tech. Many a "special memory" was captured by dad (or mom) behind an 8mm camera or a camcorder. The entire opening to "The Wonder Years"[1] was designed to capture that "home movie" feel, which would have been conducted by a parent holding something like this[2]. Even into the 90's and 00's it would have been done with a mini-dv camcorder (and later digital), which while smaller was still a bulky device floating around infront of the image recorder's face.

It's only with the advent of proper video recording tech in a cell phone that this technology has gotten so small that it's (mostly) unobtrusive and since everyone has one on them all the time, it's not surprising when someone pulls it out and starts recording.

And many a larger family event usually has one (or more) family members dedicated to capturing on film / camera anyway, so what difference would it make what tech they were using to do it?

If this thing caught on, it would be no different from any of those others, with the two possible exceptions of

A) actually being more present for the recorder, as opposed to looking through a view finder wobbling in their hands, it's just whatever they're looking at through this thing already attached to their head. Additionally for child events, they could still be actively involved with both hands (as opposed to one or none with other camera equipment and trying to work through a view finder.

B) Being less obtrusive to the rest of the people. Sure, people "should" just enjoy the moment, but I'd rather be at a concert with a few thousand people using these to record their moment than a few thousand people holding their cellphones up trying to record it around everyone else's hands.

Another thing to consider are cases where this is used by people who are already professionally recording stuff. Sure, your wedding photographer you probably still want using a real quality camera setup, but would anyone be salty about the photographer's assistant going around and capturing 3d video and pictures of your wedding with this thing? I doubt it.

[1]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0bK-vUlw6M [2]:http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Minolta_Autopak-8_D6

Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by JPws_Prntr_Fngr »

patwolf wrote: post #304

I'm usually a fan of shiny new things, but this might be the first time I'll make an intentional effort to not buy something. I expect it's going to be fantastic, and using it for my development workstation would be amazing. However, I feel like this will be a net negative for humankind. My kids will plead with me to get them one, and it will be easy to say no because it's so expensive. But with each successive gener…

> However, I feel like this will be a net negative for humankind.

I'm hoping things like this are just humanity's awkward first steps at augmenting our anatomy with tech. And after decades (or centuries) of withering our bodies (and often minds) with these myopic goggles, mobile internet terminals, and isolating earplugs, we'll make the jump to retinal HUDs, language skill implantation, and whatever else. The only thing I'm sure of is that we won't be the same species anymore.

Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by rektide »

marricks wrote: post #71

Meta has a social network, but they don't really have an electronic ecosystem connecting them. Mac has a social network (anyone with an iPhone arguable) and an operating system. This might give them the edge needed in integration to do well. Additionally, apple fan boys will pay a few grand for a high end device. So the whole "glasshole" issue from Google will be less of a thing. It's easier to see where they are com…

The Mac private social networking was on mad display this WWDC.

IMessaging has really upped the game on what a group chat is, mainly via emoji creation tools that will really add personality & flavor & build repetoir over time; touching stuff to me. Other nice to haves like builtin location reporting in the chat & ability to drop emojis positionally on posted graphics are also very good social capabilities.

The communication technologies on display at WWDC impressed me a lot a lot a lot. There's a huge list of ways people will have markedly better everyday experiences, with each other & solo.

Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by tpmoney »

marricks wrote: post #394

So many technologies Apple has launched in the past 5 years seemed nifty & weird but were all being built to lead up to this: - Spatial Audio - Is any one a huge fan of this? It doesn't matter a ton outside of AR but matters greatly within it - Side Car - mirroring to a local apple device. It's useful as a second monitor but... mirroring your iPad or MacBook into VR and typing on it. Super useful. - FaceID - is it re…

>Spatial Audio - Is any one a huge fan of this? It doesn't matter a ton outside of AR but matters greatly within it

Not the thing with airpod head tracking, but I am always blown away by how effective the fake surround sound is with the M1 Air's speakers.

Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by crossroadsguy »

the_watcher wrote: post #471

It would very obviously be useful for work if you can actually get high res, effectively unlimited monitor space. Maybe not for everyone, but people already spend $3500+ on monitor setups somewhat regularly (and employers definitely do this). Apple themselves sell a single monitor that costs $2300 when fully spec'd out (5k, but the point is that they know what people spend on monitors). I can't figure out why that wa…

I am not a fan of even the look of this thing but I am not sure why people are just talking about room and work. I think people will just buy it and watch films when lying down on their beds or sideways, when on the commode, or when commuting on a bus seat (assuming power delivery is sorted - and yeah if everything needed for it is portable enough).

Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by rektide »

treprinum wrote: post #719

Not a single AR functionality was demoed; all that was shown was a 2D overlay on top of real-world view. No 3D computer vision segmenting objects on the screen, no placing 3D objects on real objects etc. It felt less capable than Hololens a few years back.

Extra stunning because iOS already has some quite fine AR capabilities. This was such a freakish ommission.

At my most charitable, maybe they didn't want to take the risk. They don't know what they would do with those capabilities. AR isn't their thing, as a platform provider. They need developers to go build stuff. By not showing anything, they emphasize what they control, and they show only things they have power over.

In short, the omission keeps the narrative from getting out ahead of the horse.

Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by the_reformation »

marricks wrote: post #394

So many technologies Apple has launched in the past 5 years seemed nifty & weird but were all being built to lead up to this: - Spatial Audio - Is any one a huge fan of this? It doesn't matter a ton outside of AR but matters greatly within it - Side Car - mirroring to a local apple device. It's useful as a second monitor but... mirroring your iPad or MacBook into VR and typing on it. Super useful. - FaceID - is it re…

I think Apple TV+ may even be a part of this. On its own, its a below average streaming service. But as a proprietary production studio that can bootstrap a VR content library by force of will...?

Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by rektide »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #433

Long ago in the Avatar (2009) movie there was a scene when a guy was walking with a tablet-like device displaying some info, then grabbed that info with some kind of hand gesture and threw that info on a wall-mounted screen. This AR demo was the first thing I ever saw that did something comparable by taking the app off mac and opening it in VR. Now, I don't really want an AR glasses, but I absolutely want to grab thi…

Minority Report (2002) had a nice immersive space too.

I've long long long been a fan of wearable & ubiquitous computing. Having great gesture detection to do physical computing with would really be epic.

Re: Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

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Post by matthewhartmans »

paxys wrote: post #182

The hardware is no doubt impressive, as expected, but I just can't see myself in any of the situations they keep showing in VR/AR demos. Does someone really sit on their couch, put on a massive headset, and scroll through their vacation photos? Does someone watch an entire 2+ hour movie with a sweaty headset strapped to them (and plugged into a socket) instead of on a couch with their family/friends? Would I want to…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-kdRdzxdZQ

It's all going to plan ;)

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