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Post by jaredsohn »

the_gastropod wrote: post #594
larrik wrote: post #581

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But nobody talks about Netflix shows because there's no shared progress, so you can't even begin to discuss it with your friends until everyone is completely finished with. Then at that point, it's finished, why bother?

Not sure this is true. Breaking Bad, which blew up because of its availability on Netflix, seems like a decent counter-example.

But new episodes were coming out weekly after the first few seasons were released on Netflix.

Wikipedia: "It had fair viewership in its first three seasons, but the fourth and fifth seasons saw a moderate rise in viewership when it was made available on Netflix just before the fourth season premiere."

"Breaking Bad's viewership grew greatly as viewers binged the series on Netflix, helping to assure that a fifth season could be made. The fifth-season premiere had more than double the viewership compared to the fourth season premiere, attributed to the Netflix availability"

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Post by gnicholas »

tobyjsullivan wrote: post #703
gnicholas wrote: post #697

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That's not what GP said. GP complained about having to pay as if there were multiple households benefiting, when it's actually just one household, albeit a wealthy one. If NFLX said "we're going to start charging rich people more, based on zip code," there would be a revolt. I would assume it's not their intention to try to "go after" this segment and make them pay more (since it's a small portion of their users, and…

To be fair, this seems like a very convenient redefining of "household". If a household can, quite literally, span two houses (and states!), then what does household actually mean? Edit: double checked and Netflix today is clear that plans are for a single "household". No idea if that language has changed over time but I vaguely recall them always referring to multiple "devices", not people.

According to a dictionary, "household" means:

> those who dwell under the same roof and compose a family; also: a social unit composed of those living together in the same dwelling [1]

It seems more focused on the family unit rather than where they're located. If a household goes on vacation, are they not still a household when they are at their hotel? Why is it different if they're at a condo, which they own?

Disclosure: not that it matters, but I do not have a second home.

1: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/household

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Post by OJFord »

nmz wrote: post #508
OJFord wrote: post #250

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And they have so many (non-'original') where they only have a few series available at the end or in the middle. I don't understand the licencing/purchasing decision that can lead to that. Seems to happen far too often for it to be different studios/licencors, obviously that happens sometimes. BBC's QI is one example. I understand new series not being available on Netflix (in the UK) as the BBC now have their own subs…

Seems like a bad example, QI doesn't have a storyline ergo you don't need earlier seasons.

That's an argument for it not mattering, maybe, but still not a reason to do it?

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Post by thaumasiotes »

rerx wrote: post #178
circlefavshape wrote: post #171

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FWIW I thought Foundation was incredibly poor

The first season could have been better, but it has great production values and as far as I can tell they see it as an investment and they are not going to cancel it soon. So for now I'm optimistic about a second season.

> The first season could have been better, but it has great production values

This thought process is how we got to the point where movies stopped having plots.

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Post by radlad »

otikik wrote: post #661
inopinatus wrote: post #632

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Consumers do not exist so that companies can be profitable, and are not required to accept anything of the sort. What a vampiric, corporate lickspittle point of view.

I would even object to calling people “consumers”, only because the conversation involves a (potential) service. It’s like calling us “bipeds” when we talk about us on a shoe-making context.

Well, when the shoe fits...

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Post by thisismyaccoun7 »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #701
thisismyaccoun7 wrote: post #676

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The arrs are sweet. Plex serves media. Prowlarr maintains a list of torrent sites to use. Radarr for movies, sonarr for tv, and lidarr for music monitor things and auto download, move, rename, etc., and are tied into prowlarr for where to get them. Some examples, every new Minions movie or every new episode of The Witcher or every new album from IVE you can have auto download once available and get moved to the corre…

Don't forget readarr for books and audiobooks. For serving media I personally prefer jellyfin with its overseer equivalent, jellyseer.

Thanks, I'll have to check out jellyfin and jellyseer

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Post by parsimo2010 »

astura wrote: post #747
parsimo2010 wrote: post #702

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A Netflix account is supposed to be one per family, it was never supposed to be tied to an individual person. Who in their right mind would assume that a package that allowed four simultaneous streams would be for a single person watching four shows at once? No, it’s clearly supposed to be that one account covers multiple people. GP is fine to complain whether they have enough money for two houses at once. What about…

>A Netflix account is supposed to be one per family, it was never supposed to be tied to an individual person. Who in their right mind would assume that a package that allowed four simultaneous streams would be for a single person watching four shows at once? Like cable, internet connection, or Costco membership - it's per household not per family.

The addition of "household" is a new addition they made, likely coupled with this change in direction about password sharing. The word household does not appear in archived versions of their page discussing streaming plans.

2017 (https://archive.is/KFZtP) "No matter which plan you choose, you can install the Netflix app on as many devices as you want, and enjoy as many TV shows and movies as you want, anytime, anywhere." In 2017, not only were they not talking about households, they were explicitly bragging about how you can watch on any device in multiple locations, which conflicts with the concept of a household they are pushing now.

2021 (https://archive.is/OzbRU) "The plan you choose will determine the number of devices that you can watch Netflix on at the same time. With all of our plans, you can download the Netflix app on all your favorite devices and watch unlimited movies and TV shows."

But now in 2023 (https://help.netflix.com/en/node/24926) "As a Netflix member, you are charged monthly on the date you signed up. A Netflix account is for people who live together in a single household. Learn more about sharing Netflix."

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Post by stemlord »

lnenad wrote: post #70
vivegi wrote: post #25

Boo hoo. $NFLX brought in customers with the Sharing is Caring campaign. If at that time they patted themselves on the back for customer growth, they should hold themselves responsible for the about face and customer exodus when they have changed their stance to Sharing is a crime .

I mean even if they drop subscribers their usage costs should drop as well so it might balance out in the end profit wise.

Would be cool to see a big tech company embrace something other than the infinite growth fantasy

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Post by jonathankoren »

bbarn wrote: post #692
ddoolin wrote: post #647

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Devil's advocate: Is their growth high enough? In our current system, you always have to be growing enough, not just profitable.

That's just "shareholder value". Combine it with everyone who owns stock expecting it to go up all the time, and you get that mentality. Stocks were once a vote of confidence in a company and their long term vision, and now it's just hyper-analyzed gambling with as short a return time as possible. Nearly everything that's wrong with the current economy and welfare of your average man in the US can be traced in some w…

Milton Friedman really did a number on people. Has any of his ideas stood the test of time? Everything I’ve seen has led to rampant inequality, and rot in both the corporate and government sectors. Even in the most recent economic crises, zero countries embraced his ideas, and those that tried austerity had a worse outcome.
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